EVE General Discussion

HALLELUJAH!

Let us always remember the Golden Rules.

*pops champagne*

What you are talking about is asymmetrical, or guerrilla warfare.
Attacking and not holding is the point of that type of warfare.

The fact that is boring and tedious for you is the point of that type of warfare.
You are being attacked in ways that you would not prefer, again asymmetrical warfare.

Symmetrical warfare would mean you are attacked by similar forces in ways you prefer and are used to.

Hi Sec players have been attacked asymmetrically for years by many null/low sec groups forcing them to adjust.

It is interesting to see how the Null Sec power blocks are now reacting now that they can be asymmetrically attacked by sole players in a truly meaningful way they are forced to react to.

What you ans others aren't getting is that we all understand that. We go out all the time during out vulnerability window and kill of little buggers who have no intention other than to ring a door bell. We do it all the time. We can do it forever. We WILL do it forever to protect our space.

Or at least till people start refusing to even log in because that kind of thing is boring. Easy killboard padding victory over people who don't care if they lose ships or take space is boring. Watching ALL of us in Sov null (not just Goons) create the fortresses that no one can take because trying would be more maddening that killing all those POSes in pre-dominion Sov.

We (some of us anyways) tried to explain this to you types and CCP 6 years ago before Dominion*. You didn't listen and the whole game suffered. you (and ccp) aren't listening again while 'we' have already figured out how to game the system to max effect (SELF-HARDENING RENTAL EMPIRES ARE SPROUTING UP, can't you all see that?). Again.

This is why history repeats itself, people aren't capable of listening to the people they should. Hopefully it won't take 6 years this time....


*Funny side note, the people who supported Dominion were the same kind of people defending this new system. I called them the 'disenfranchised optimists', they were the anti-big group (and BoB/Goons/Old NC/Drone Russians/Stainwagon) types who were SURE that Dominion was the cure, that 'now small groups will be in null!!. 6 years later not a one of them has admitted that they were wrong.

It's too low a bar to be a threat. Having to chase disposable ships around while they evade is not fun. They have no interest in taking sov, just wasting time. The mechanic currently supports that and it's dumb that it does. I get that you're either a terrible troll or you legitimately don't think games should be fun, but the mechanic isn't creating conflict, because after chasing frigates all day, who really wants to go mine structures?

No, it's not. Guerilla warfare still has a strategic goal. Trollceptors don't. They are literally there to make the game less fun for sov holders. Whether you like sov holders or not, can you not see how it's bad game design to allow a mechanic to promote boring gameplay.

Damn. nice post !

It does seem they forgot about burn jita / amarr. Any of the larger alliances could perma-own jita if they wanted to but burn jita and now amarr was never about owning jita it has always only been about annoying those that live there and nothing else and now that highsec and other regions of EVE can annoy nullsec, nullsec goes running off to mommy with tears in its eyes telling mommy to make the bad people go away because it is ruining their fun and if they are defending their sov how are they going to find time to get back to jita to burn it and annoy the people there just for laughs, it just isnt fair mommy, it just isnt fair!

I am certainly a big fan of fozzie sov changes. Many here have pointed out great things that it has brought so i wont go into them.

However there seems to be a certain misconception about the key principle behind the mechanics. Trolling or not the attacking side must take the structure/node/stn within the period determined by the defense multiplier. Hence an organised side will ensure industry and military multipliers are kept at a certain minimum. every time a T1 entosis ship loses it's lock is an additional 5 minutes. Even when the entosis timer is 30 minutes, that would put off most but serious attackers. So as long as defense multipliers are kept high enough even a small alliance/corp cam hold on to a constellation.

As for trolling/solo ceptors they are my favorite target nowadays. The trick is ... fly a ceptor yourself :)

It can take a long time annoying someone before they decide that fighting guerillas isnt worth it and given that some many alliances in EVE are already whining to the heavens about fozziesov, im pretty sure your will is already beginning to flounder.

So, when can u haz your stuff cuz you seem like you arent going to make it in the new nullsec and im anticipating a rage quit.

So when you see (and you will) that this system create even more sov sprawl (because now renters can harden their own systems with pve) like Dominion did, will you come back to this forum and admit you were wrong?

Where exactly?

All I saw was accusations and gemeralisations how nobody is listening to you.
I did check back again and didnt find it.

Vere ist ze Final Solution, preferably in a coherent, itemized and numbered list?

Im quite serious.
Id love to see it and it would bring some structure to this thread.