EVE General Discussion

Perhaps however that's dependent on 1 whether CCP allocated additional resources 2 whether those resources would hav been diverted to dust instead of WIS

My experience with project management would suggest it's likely additional resources were acquired to work on WIS and had WIS not been on the agenda those resources likely would not have been obtained in the first place. CCP might operate differently so I might be wrong.

The rest is the standard Lucas kell BS. I'm familiar with it, I see it all the time, I call it "I don't get it because I don't want to get it" routine. It's wrong, but you have a right to be wrong.

But the above is just stupid. Telling someone what they believe and how they do things is wrong isn't the same thing as disallowing someone to express their opinions,. Hell, how could I stop you? You WiS people can live in whatever fantasy you wish, it's not hurting anyone. You can speak freely about what you want.

So can I, and I can also demonstrate that what you want is selfish and greedy and unrealistic.

Like I said, my function here (i won't speak for others, but I think some would agree) is to remind CCP that there is support for their focusing on the meat of EVE (spaceships, space and the player driven market). I like a focused game (and meat), not one that is all over the place. CCP used to be all over the place, now they aren't

Skins and asteroids as a sideline don't hurt and is skins make some extra cash, so be it.
Doing Valkyrie doesn't hurt either, it's "Ribs" to EVE's steak (WiS isn't Ribs, it's Tofu, and you can shove that non-meat soy bean crap up your Elite Spaceships exhaust hole). But We've seen what happens when CCP overextends itself.

EVE isn't the right platform for adding non-spaceship "new" stuff to, and CCP knows that now, no matter how many of the rest of you don't.

And who will be leaving too. Remember that.

quick to forget, quicker to repeat;

You see, there was a furtherance beyond the single room

What we end up seeing in the comments section of that video, that was delivered as a presentation outside of fanfest and forum, is further development of a project element.

When you measure the comments in that youtube video;

It was dead then too. For 2 guys.

As someone who is qualified in Psychology, EVE has been a melting pot of suggestion, with many many forgotten failures, and many many floggings of the dead horse.

World of Darkness should have proven categorically that CCP hf. develops what CCP hf. wants to develop. There really has been demand for WiS, and throughout the demands there have always been 'died last year' posts, most of which were wrong.

If CCP hf. aren't tempted by people saying 'every other game does it, it will bring new players who will also leave the station, it's practical, it would be fun,..... etc' that's CCP hf.'s prerogative.

Over time, that leads to the same playerbase having opinions generated by face-to-face marketing (like the linked video) which is harmful. Future newbros also read about past development cycles and opportunity.

Our opinion is we would like for CCP hf. to continue working on this. There is another group that says WiS should remain dead.

Eventually; the second group will be the only players, having lost the 1st group and the new players that would have been attracted to an avatar based element.

That is a diminishing player base / market.

With a door you do not need to go through in the Captain's quarters, you will have the same opportunity as people that do not want to gain standings: skip that part.

tl;dr; There are still people that want CCP hf. to put more hours on WiS development.

You're supposedly a grown man, you ARE your arguments. Your arguments are wrong, and they come from your core beliefs...which are also wrong btw.



If you dind't care, you wouldn't have mentioned it. I've said this before and i won't belabor the point beyond saying this: you won't ever be able to admit it, but you know my criticism of you is correct, and you've signaled that with your own posts.

Things aren't right or wrong because of what i want, they are right or wrong because they are right or wrong ie based on their own merits and history. The reason you can't see that is because you have a personal 'culture' of spinning things to match your core belief (instead of matching your core belief to the reality, no matter whether you agree with it or not). In other words, you're a natural politician, I just happen to despise most politicians.

Lastly, I don't care whether you get out or not...though to use your term, it would be nice lol. But that isn't going to stop my general opposition to your type (in game, and in life in gneral), the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'.


I'll leave off here, as I understand that this isn't a difference of opinion but a difference of nature. Your nature is wrong

Why develop the jets when your spaceship already has warp engines?

And to keep it WiS related, why develop LEGS when you have warp engines? If you want to walk around, why not go outside lol?

However, you have to bear in mind that arguement cuts both ways. As much as your convinced that failing to move in this direction will kill EvE, others of us are convinced that it wont survive another attempt at something that very near killed it last time. You can't call Jenn out as "threatening the life of the game" when in his eyes thats exactly what you and Lucas are doing.

Well said as usual.

To believe as they do, you have to ignore history. I'm not trying to be mean to the wonderful people at CCP when I say that almost EVERYTHING they've done that isn't spaceships has failed or fizzled, I'm simply stating an observable fact. CCP has had 2 successes, the Danger Game and EVE. WoD was cancelled , DUST has been lack luster, Legion isn't even mentioned and many in-EVE projects that deviated from the Core of EVE (Incarna including EVA exploration, Atmospheric Flight, Planetary interaction, the EVE Dust link) failed or fizzled.

But somehow these people believe that the key to success in this case is to do more and more of what failed? This is why I mention the word greed, because these people are so greedy for a certain entertainment experience that they cannot see the dangers inherent in what they are trying to manipulate CCP into reconsidering. CCP stopped doing this WiS stuff for good reasons.

It's irresponsible. If CCP does that and it's a big success against all odds, that's great , but unlikely. If it (a renewed push to tack on Avatar gameplay to this old game) fails and drags the company down, it's not Lucas Kell looking for another job. Side note, this is why in real life I tend to not suggest things about what other people should do, even if they ask, at least without the qualifier "This is why I would do, you ain't me though"

No need to be melodramatic.
CCP just needs some devs that are good at making interiors to work on the station. It doesn't have to be announced, there can be all the usual song and dance about the usual developments until one day, "Surprise! We made stuff!"

We're all here talking about what CCP hf. should do in relation to something they tabled as something they were doing.

It's their call, we're saying we want it.

Others are saying they own the direction CCP hf. wants to go, and any deviation will be the end, it wont be. If the content was possible with the steep climb to a VR game in Valkyrie, they'd work on two things at once.

We're still saying we want it, and others are still saying CCP wont.

CCP hf. should avoid the peaceful slumber and resting on laurels approach to dedication and divert some of their excess capital towards new features (drifter incursions are a new feature - one that was discussed openly amongst players and devs alike some time ago).

Hell, I'll probably let my subscription lapse resub and lapse again. When/If WiS is released a great number of people will rejoin to see what it's like. New players that are put off from EVE will also subscribe to see what it is like.

Telling us that it is not worth CCP hf attracting new players is like telling Starbucks to limit their number of customers per day, because coffee is special.

The more people CCP hf. can get into the game the more people there are to form coalitions, corps, fleets, sales on the ingame markets - Health!