Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Frig is flying slightly towards my right... i'll go right as well to cut traversal.

Either way, you have a LOT better chance of getting a kill shot on that frig than a cruise missile does.
Cruise might hit it, but they'll need to hit it 20 times to kill it.
One shot from your 1400s, and it's gone.

Here's some graphs

0 angle, a bit of angle and some 30 degree angle. max dps with fit (is an incomplete fit but that doesn't change anything in this regard) is 691. I even use Quake to increase the chances of success.


With a little bit of angle only 110 dps remains which is about 16%, so on average about every 6 volleys that's going to hit. Cycle time is just over 16 seconds resulting in one single hit every 103 seconds (resulting in a kill). In the mean time the Merlin could have covered close to 3k km.

With 30 degrees of angle only 28 dps remains. [math happens]... once every 410 seconds, on average. That's getting dangerously close to the 1% wrecking chance.


And with small angles having THAT much of an impact, the chance of your amazing piloting skills making up for it all resulting in anywhere decent chance to hit is... super low.

What's the fudge factor on piloting skill? I'm pretty sure you could reduce the angular velocity to nothing if the merlin is far enough at a slight angle but there is no way in hell to really account for that in a graph.

no comp at all and 15 degree...

http://imgur.com/9g0dtbM

or 20...

http://imgur.com/YC3SMyD

No one said or suggested any of that... If they did, that person is wrong.

We are simply stating that it is possible to have an effective turret boat without the use of tracking bonuses or Modules.

However, a missile as any range will always require at least one application mod to apply full damage.
The only time this doesn't apply is when the ship is a larger class than the missiles are intended for.

Listen, kid, only my friends are allowed to call me e2 and you are not one of them. IF you need to talk to me my first name is 'your majesty' and no, I do not make jokes - puns sometimes or sarcasm but I do not make jokes.

With that out of the way, how in the Empress name can you even talk about high level weapon balance with 2 days of skill training?
Have you even ever flown a ship?

When I read from Kagura or baltec1 or James and many others I know that they have and that they can steer a discussion into a proper direction.
What Nevyn proposed sounds worth my while and I can very safely say that he knows what he is talking about, so will listen what each and all of them have to say.
We may or not agree on anything but that is fine. That doesn't mean that either of us is wrong or right.

That tornado example was meant for Lloyd Roses in response to his question. Rest assured, I know he is a very capable pilot and even though I don't use minmatar tech, he knowns that I know my turrets.

This totally ignored feedback thread is about missile application mods that are not worth the slot they want us to put them in and just like that Incarna debacle they didn't listen.

I have been around here for nine years. In any company I would be senior executive something by now. Wether or not CCP finds it amusing or listens what I say, people tend to give you the benefit of a doubt with that much experience and listen to me.
What I don't want is for everyone to like me or vanity, nor do I seek attention. But I can ask that my fellow capsuleer show me at least some kind of respect.

You do not.

finally got off my butt to log in and fit these mods. I like them for my pve. for the same range i get a sub 300 exp radius and 180 exp vel vs 330 and 160. plus i can get more application if I wanted to get closer. Had to change a rig and use implants for fitting to get a low and a mid to fit.


I'm really curious how strong it would of been prenerf. As i like them currently for my needs. and more range and application can only make my pve more effective.

purifier,
max lock range of 97 navy torps to 96.5 with range script 87 with no script and 81km off or with precision script. really wanted to get to 100-110km range so I would always be in range when I land and the old set up did this with javs (boo lower dps) or 87km with navy torps. On the new one javs are pointless so most of the range is lost cause of lock range and the loss of dps from javs is more than the couple of seconds to get in range of target.


so i don't have many lows or mids to put into application. they replaced a sensor booster and a co-pro and a missile range rig for 1 low slot, 1 mid slot and a targeting range rig, now needs implants but I don't mind giving up the slot in my head to make it fit.

also before commenting this is for missions in FW which are all single kill ones or 6 targets (don't does these)

Previously it made the most sense to fit 2 rigors (being a T2 ship), if you now use a MGC it makes more sense to fit 1 rigor and 1 flare and even with a precision script MGC you will perform LESS than before the changes when you'd just use rigs. That's the big gripe, the actual problem: due to the stacking changes you're now forced to waste a mid slot while still doing worse than before.

I agree that, yes, the divide between TP's and these modules are far less pronounce with cases where you can neither afford to bring a plethora of TP's nor when there are bonused from the hull like the Golem.

Having said that, I agree with Joe on the sentiment that TP's still have a pretty sizable edge over MGC's 1 to 1, bonuses or not. And, we actually have mentioned the MGE once or twice...even if only to state how they do absolutely bubkiss compared to alternative lows.

Also true, they are not without their selling points. On top of those abilities, the MGC's can be scripted to focus on either or, too. Personally, though, I don't feel they are quite enough to make up for their shortcomings. Again, personally, mind you. I'm sure others can and will find ways to make them work well enough for them. I do think the fact that missiles in general have not been given an intimate balancing pass only helps to corrode those advantages in my mind and maybe others as well, so perhaps they will in a much better place afterwards. Tough to say until after missiles are tended to more properly.