EVE General Discussion

afk mining is fine. People cripple themselves that way using low yield ships. The balance comes from atk miners who remove roids right from under the nose of afk miners.

Removing mining as afk activity is a bad idea in general. Too many people rely on it and they are content that keeps others playing. And your childish attitude towards people who play the game as intended discourages any proper replies.

By mining ore that's free and dumping the markets, making insane profits through manipulation.

Chribba got rich from third partying transactions from what i gather (could be wrong) but as i said, i make capitals, so i dont do highsec.

the ability to field capitals is a measure of strength. I haven't even seen CODE fleets go roaming.

But again, lets get back on topic here.

Being the #1 alliance in kills, ISK destroyed and efficiency would make us strong. We scoff at capitals.

You'd be surprised. I've FCed small lowsec roams, TiDi battle in null, and highsec ganking. Of any of them, the highsec gank fleets took the most work and "on your feet" thinking.

Possible targets can pop up anywhere, you're normally wrangling 3-4 different scouts. You've got to be aware of your gank teams warp speed, ship agility, all your bookmarks between here and there, ship DPS, concord status and response times, anti-ganker location, tank the target has just by looking......it's a LOT of information.

Most people only see the last 10 seconds of a gank, and just assume it's easy. Ohhh, trust me, there's work involved.

How about we mine comets with drones. The vexor has a bonus to those.

I literally LOL'd.

Okay so I'm only going to reference hi-sec mining in this post. The idea that I am seeing proposed is to have CCP develop mechanics to make mining more interesting. The impetus is that it should be interesting enough to keep them from going off AFK. Am I missing the point or is this pretty much what we're driving for?

If that is the point of this demand on CCP, why would they bother? There is already something that should keep miners engaged and not AFK. It is called gankers. Why should CCP step in to fix something with mechanics that is already just fine with PGC?

It would seem to me to be very engaging - all those alarms going off, the scramble to see if you can get away or at least save your pod. Not sure what could be more exciting and engaging in a typical miner's day.

Ok, more seriously the "engagement" comes from the risk of ganking, rather than the 10s adrenaline rush of the gank which happens so rarely in highsec. Miners (and haulers, and to a much less extent mission runners) have to consider the risk of ganking when deciding their fit and in-space behaviour. The risk of ganking adds another dimension that needs to be taken into account when choosing a ship and fit, where to mine, and so forth which has to be balanced off against yield. If highsec were 100% safe you would see pretty much only AFK max-yield fit Hulks and Mackinaws depending if the miner wanted to pause Netflix every 5 minutes or 20 minutes respectively.

That is why suicide ganking has been put in the game by CCP - without it there would be practically no decisions to made by highsec miners, and thus no actual game play. I think mining does need a major revamp, but it should be done right so that mining isn't just a minigame, but rather organically rewards effort and risk-taking. A single-pilot, low effort mining op should be possible, but is should reward much less than a complex, multi-person group operation. A relatively safe mining op should be possible, but it should reward much less than one that requires a defense because it is vulnerable to other players destroying it.

Mining is always going to be repetitive as with all PvE, but I think offering a few different varieties with much different levels of risk (and thus reward) would go a long way to being less boring and appealing to various player's diverse interests.

Fidelas Constans ... why i am not surprised.