Wormholes

But those people that do roam null constantly are well "roaming null constantly". You can't fight what isn't there in their chain, scanning the chain further or rolling their chain...

I agree some people might leave because they can't have their insta fun and are too lazy to scan/roll/seige/loggoff/invade/camp for it but i am not unhappy about that honestly.

NPC?




you are not unhappy about people leaving? Interesting. In times with constantly dropping online numbers I thought people leaving was the last thing you would welcome. How is stagnant WH space benefical?






I actually just showed you how it removed pvp.
null -> WH -> null was source of content = gone.
WH -> null was source of content = gone.

Sure, you might shift onto something else and try to compensate in a more or less successful way but for the moment being its chunk of content which is gone.


like I said, forcing people into effort wont work. Forcing people into wasting hours over hours for 1 worthless null connection will work even less, thats the post aegis status quo. Post Aegis you will have to probe entire region for few poor null chains which IMO borders onto time waste, why I think players will rather say "**** you" and leave.. The whole thing worked previously solely out of the fact that there were sheer number of WH you could pick few suitable ones from.

The reason most people started roaming null to start with was simple arithmethic, given the fact that C5 space was largely empty - even before you factor in TZs. Btw, In the current meta - and given w-space and FW farming - the ships aren't all that cheaper (Orthus/Gila vs cheaper T3s).

As someone said up thread, the lifetime reduction and spawning mechanics will stack multiplicatively when it comes to finding usable nullsec connections. I can see that after the previous increase in null wormholes C5 space had become too connected - but the answer would have been to reverse that.

Instead of making stupid points or heavilly edit and qoute people to try and counter everyone's points of view why don't you actually say why you think you are entitled or need to have the level of nullsecs like you once did.

stupid points? Points become "stupid" at last when they are proven wrong, if at all.
Isnt quoting and countering points of view not how a forum/conversation works? Just wondering.


One of most hilarious things on eve-o is when people accuse someone of feeling entitled to something. How does argueing for/against something equal to being entitled? Just complaining about working parts of the game which CCP ruined for no gain/reason, apart of some whiny ***** abusing his CSM powers and crying to CCP to cather the game for his inability.

Hyperion increased the spawn rate of wormholes originating in w-space [there was also the other slight uptick associated with time based spawning of the k162].

I have to disagree. Those things arent mutually exclusive. "Roaming in null" doesnt equal "not fighting in wspace". HK, SSC, LH and many other (less blobby) corps roam null constantly in search for targets, yet I dont think you can claim they dont also fight in wspace. If you roll into them, they'll return from null to fight you. None will fight you if you roll into an inactive hole, because they moved out, starved for fights, bored of waiting for days between wh content.

I also disagree with the notion that fighting in wspace is somehow inherently superior to fighting in null and more desirable. Big invasions and cap brawls are great, yes. Best of all, we might say. But how often do they happen? Majority of the wspace pvp is ganks. What makes ganking in wspace so much more leet than ganking in null? Why is ganking sleeper-farming dreads good and ganking ratting carriers bad? We have no local, no gates, etc. but its still a gank.

1) Why are you advocating less WH traffic/pvp? Are you a farmer? Are you still salty about your recent tengu loss?
There is no other reason I can think of for a WH resident not wanting WH connections.

2) nullseccers have "no say" in how w-space works, all they can do is complaining about it, posting on forums about that. Until the nerf I never even looked into this subforum, thus your theory that less WH content leads to less nullseccers here is obviously wrong.


its obvious and self explanatory.
Less WH connections means:
1) taken chances for WH folks to find targets/fighs -> less pvp.
2) taken chances for null folks to find a chain to a different part of null for targets/fight -> less pvp.
and "less pvp" (much less in current context) is just another word for "parts of pvp being removed", thus my saying about removed pvp - here again pretty obvious.


I'm not saying I want to live in null, I'm saying I live in null and thats why I am affected by the change in a severe way.
Sure its my cup of tea, I can stay there and I can keep comlaining about the changed mechanics how much I like, nothing you could do anything about.


I never tried to hide my concerns, dunno how you would view it that way. What I'm honestly concerned about are removed/nerfed pvp abilities for everyone including nullseccers, wormholers and lowseccers all together.

I havent called anyone anything, it was a question. Because I have no idea why a pvper would otherwise so deliberately advocate against pvp resulting from more/better WH connections.

I do feel "roaming in WH space" does indeed equal not fighting in WH space. I don't think i made the leap to say that that meant they wouldn't come home and fight you but since you bring it up i guess everyone would then evaluate the desire to "come back" dependent on who or what.

I do find fights in WH space (not ganks) to be far superior to null roams in crappy ships. But then that is a personal opinion and well this is what this is all about.