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It is heating up

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3cpfp0/wormhole_gate_heats_up_snort_dragon_blames_manny/csxqnwr

https://twitter.com/PLIRC/status/619238039361994757/photo/1

I think a better term nowadays would be blue croissant

Good changes all around with the exception of Incursions and ESS.

Suggestion for the Activity Defense Multipliers, Allow POS's in a limited way to contribute to the activity defense multipliers, both hostile and friendly. Similiar to the sov system of olde, but with severe limitations. Numbers could be generated to a working balanced system, I'm not going to do that just expressing the interest in this form of content to help keep capital ships somewhat useful.

Future group PVE, it would have to be incursion style content. There probably is a place for this but keeping it balanced while being profitable to non-multibox and non-multibox viable may be an issue, there's still probably some people using isboxer without mirror to run incursions.

Incursions, the basis of this is Sanshas raiding space and stealing pilots for drones/clones, After years of failing the Sansha's have given up on this endeavor and Incursions have stopped. The basis of incursions and the content they exclusively provide has no real purpose and should be migrated elsewhere and incursions removed.

ESS - This is a failed attempt at forcing content, just get rid of it, I mean you're about to remove how many SBU's from the game, the ESS can go with it.

That's how it always goes. Once a process gets industrialized, CCP has to nerf it. They could have just removed the API data pull so that you have to do your own scouting.

At some point it should be noted that Sovereigny as a game system is faulty.

When you create a "race to the top" system, the natural outcome is someone on top too big to fall, followed by not-so-top forces too dangerous and bothersome to defeat, and a variable amount of fools who will never be top and can lose everything as soon as some of the top dogs focuses on them.

Of course, that mimics RL. We know that (enter rogue state) can not do anything meaningful to the USA and we know Russia and China are too big and dangeorus to mess with even if you're the USA.

What nobody said is that RL balance of power is *fun* or at all worthy to experience in a game...

"Welcome to EVE Online, the 12 years old MMO. These guys are the USA, there's Russia and there's China. The ultimate goal of the game is to topple any of them without being nuked to the ground as soon as your gang shows any potential to topple any of them. Alternatively you may enjoy staying irrelevant or aligning with any of the top dogs. Have fun"

Omg. Almost all proposal are so wrong I don't even know where to start.

Survey Networks and Entrapment Array

WTH? Explo sites spawn generator? Do you even know what exploration means? Those sites will be from the regional pool or added to regional pool? Because both ways are wrong. Added will flood the market, sucked from region will make them easy, riskless money for nullbears.

Bite me. You have no idea how to fix data sites loot and now you introduce devices to increase the spawn rate? Every time you mess with explo loot, sites become worthless for 3 to 5 months. Now you'll be keeping close eye...? Riiiight.

Pirate Detection Array Changes

What a wonderfull conflict driver... Alliance with huge amount of memebers don't need to conquer anymore, they just upgrade their own systems? What is the reason to go to war?

ESS
Entosis Link? For real? Conflict driver?

Whoever you discuss those with think again. Ppl must have reasons to shoot each other, not hide in bubbled, fortified constellations, full of possibilities to make money.

I still find it funny that you classify the "Quantum Flux Generator upgrades" as Upgrades rather than Penalties, Frankly I would never install this "upgrade" in any system that I actually intended to use for any form of PvE/Industry, Heck I would like to see an upgrade that does the reverse of this.

becuase you OWN pirates datas or old relics in your space? Owning the space means you owe pirates in it? What a twisted concept. Do you pay them for a chance to shoot them?
Ninja? Do you have problem with that? Come and get me. I'm chased by nullsec dwellers that actively hunt me. I have zero interest to be number in fleet etc. It's my gamestyle, like it supposed to be in the sandbox, what I see here is less playstyle opportunities than creating new ones.

This will be exactly like hisec but with far better income (because null income is sooo looow curenlty, right?). Do we need that? Where is risk vs reward here?

The above quote is the same as the faulty thinking of the past.:

NONE of that happened, because NO ONE fights for anomaly and mining space. When CCP nerfed anomalies and the upgrade system, we didn't fight for more space, we fought to see who was the fastest at making high sec incursion and Faction Warfare Stealth Bomber alts lol. Sov space became renter space because generally only renters (and scrub frontline alliance members to dumb to to get high sec incursion and FW alts) valued the space then.

CCP is partially fixing this by upping the amount of people who can actually live in a system. They aren't directly boosting null resident income (sure, you can use more alts to farm, but that means you have higher overhead in the form or more plex or subscription fees to pay), just making it space more livable by more people. More people in null means more chances for conflict because raiders WILL come into your space and WILL tackle ratting carriers and WILL form defense fleets to save said carriers etc etc, wormholes or not.

It amazes me after years of seeing the effects of bad thinking (like this example of thinking that keeping sov space nerfed in "Greyscale 2011" will drive conflict) people still cling to it. How many more years of proof do we need to see that something doesn't work?

Yes, that is exactly what I said - those sites belong to the Sov holder if they can defend them. The reason they are in the game in the first place is to be something players can fight over. So go out there a generate some in-game content by stealing them instead of moaning on the forums about how unfair these changes are to you personally.


Yes, this ability to increase the spawn rates of sites is a reward for spending the time to defend and upgrade a system. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Whether they are new spawns, or taken from a pre-existing pool doesn't really matter - both will result in more sites being run as the sites will be found easier and thus cause a decrease in the value of exploration loot. More of that loot will go to Sov holders however as a reward for holding and upgrading a system.

PvE is there for there to be something to fight over, not your personal ISK printing machine. Adding the ability to control where those site spawn is a boon for a group of players taking space thus encouraging them to fight for the space in the first place. Whether this will work out as designed is really anyone's guess at this point, but this is clearly why CCP is making these changes. Perhaps you should wait and see how these changes play out before painting yourself as a victim of these changes.