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Dev blog: Summer of Sov - Nullsec PVE and Upgrades

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#181 - 2015-07-09 13:19:44 UTC
basically the whole post is fundamentally flawed and it only takes a few SNIPES from the periphery to reveal it as unfounded garbage
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#182 - 2015-07-09 13:33:33 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
So all those soon to be ok systems in Branch (that might see 1 person active in them a day) are still off the table without a blue tick next to your name..
Shame - that space could be put to good use by smaller groups.

i mean you're certainly welcome to try to put it to use yourself

it is not like the space becomes unusable by hostiles the second it gets conquered

you could also try to, y'know, conquer the space yourself

Yeah every small group wants to invite the wrath of the CFC by stepping into the blue donut of protection.
(don't care what you call your selves now - You will always be CFC)


My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#183 - 2015-07-09 13:40:05 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
blue donut

lmbo
Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2015-07-09 13:54:41 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Yeah every small group wants to invite the wrath of the CFC by stepping into the blue donut of protection.
(don't care what you call your selves now - You will always be CFC)

There are currently 58 alliances with 5 or fewer systems owned, seems there is room for "little guy".
There are 25 alliances that own sov with fewer than 200 members, which is smaller than your alliance.
What is holding you back?
Is there something particularly special about us, that you will only throw your hat in the ring if you can have the space we own and not any other?
Duffyman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#185 - 2015-07-09 14:08:11 UTC
Klyith wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Yeah every small group wants to invite the wrath of the CFC by stepping into the blue donut of protection.
(don't care what you call your selves now - You will always be CFC)

There are currently 58 alliances with 5 or fewer systems owned, seems there is room for "little guy".
There are 25 alliances that own sov with fewer than 200 members, which is smaller than your alliance.
What is holding you back?
Is there something particularly special about us, that you will only throw your hat in the ring if you can have the space we own and not any other?


Effort. It's easier to come to the forums and "grr goons" than actually do something about it.

With fozzie sov, even the last excuse of the massive DPS required to grind sov will be out of the way.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#186 - 2015-07-09 14:22:47 UTC
Does this mean Provi won't be the most poor kid anymore???

And just think - more people per system - means we might not run as much when reds show up...

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2015-07-09 14:36:58 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Yeah every small group wants to invite the wrath of the CFC by stepping into the blue donut of protection.
(don't care what you call your selves now - You will always be CFC)



oh good, so you realize you are not good enough

do you complain that the [best sports team in the sport popular in your local area] also does not let you play for them and only lets the people actually good at [sport popular in your local area] play for the team

we are motherfucking lebron james you work your way up to being even allowed to be discussed in the same sentence as us
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2015-07-09 14:39:02 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Does this mean Provi won't be the most poor kid anymore???

And just think - more people per system - means we might not run as much when reds show up...

absolutely not, under the wise leadership of Maximilian Singularity Providence will enter a new age of prosperity

you won't be around to benefit from it of course, but such is the price of the march of progresss
Anthar Thebess
#189 - 2015-07-09 14:44:16 UTC
This will generate TONS of additional isk that will flow into the system.
Do we have ANY new isk sink?
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2015-07-09 14:58:17 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
This will generate TONS of additional isk that will flow into the system.
Do we have ANY new isk sink?


As though a new sink would be needed with a 20-30% playerdrop?

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Nergal Hurrian
Orange Lazarus Petroleum Inc.
#191 - 2015-07-09 15:26:37 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
How surprising, another gewn buff.

20 Nyxgewnbots ratting in a cynojammed pocket in now officially a thing.

I thought CCP will never go through with the gewn proposal of more anoms, I believed that much favor was ridiculous even for CCP. But no, I see now that there is no favor CCP won't do to their masters.

Please reconsider the anomaly changes. I am asking this as a nullbear living in -0.1 system. This creates a huge PvE favor to one alliance, and while intentions might've been good, the implementation is unacceptable.


Take your tinfoil hat off. Not only you are lying in your post by attesting (falsely) that you are a "nullbear living in -0.1 system", you also inevitably reveal your ignorance about null by arguing that anyone (much less Goons) rat in Nyxes.

We need legitimate feedback in this thread, not your feeble attempts at meta-gaming (poorly).
Nergal Hurrian
Orange Lazarus Petroleum Inc.
#192 - 2015-07-09 15:41:49 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
I would be ok with the reduction of c5-npc nullsec if the safety of all nullsec and lowsec was compromised by a change to how local function so that ratters still have fear of getting hit by anybody.

Probably the easiest and most direct way would be to change local system chat to local constellation chat.

The average region has about 10 to 20 constellations and 6 to 12 systems in each constellation. So instead of instant Intel per system, it would be instant Intel per constellation. You can't tell where in a constellation a person is, you just know they are somewhere there. Gates can be monitored, instant anon clockers can hunt, all pve in a system doesn't stop because 1 anonymous person logged into the system. Risk is brought back, a greater voice is created, hunting of larger groups spans between the constellation vs just the system. Hunting and roaming with groups increases because now when you enter a empty constellation, you know it's empty, and when you enter a busy constellation, you know people are there.

You change local to constellation chat, where a plus 1 doesn't cause everybody to insta warp to a pos.. I'd be ok with the spawn changes.


No.

A certain type of space will never be your trophy grounds while at the same time, you are having almost perfect control of where and how your home wormhole is connected to, therefore, ensuring perfect safety for your PvE activities.

All you are proposing is to make null farming grounds whenever you feel like going and ganking ratters.

Nullsec does not exist to gratify your effortless lolpwnmobile playstyle. You will not get to choose where your hole connects to by ragerolling it continuously until you get a connect to the certain null constellation you wish to trophy in.

If you are in need of such easy gratification, why don't you go and cancel the non-invasion treaties between your wormhole alliance and other large wormhole alliances? (w-space blue donut)
Nergal Hurrian
Orange Lazarus Petroleum Inc.
#193 - 2015-07-09 15:44:31 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Not bad at all! However I have a question about the quantum flux: What are the tweaks made to increase its PVE daytripping value? Its never mentionned.

Furthermore, using entosis on ESS is a massive increase in how tideous it is to use them...

Finally, it seems that quantum flux are overall quite nerfed. Would it be unreasonable to buff their null to high chances ?


More null to highs would be a backdoor buff to freighters and logistics. It would kill the attempted progress towards null industry.


Again, you are masquerading as providing constructive feedback and acting like you are voicing your legitimate concerns, but in reality, everything you say and point out is trying to push for having constant null-sec connections from your wormhole systems so that you can go gank ratters and miners any time you feel like doing it.

Needless to say, if even I'm personally able to figure this out, you've failed big time.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#194 - 2015-07-09 16:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vic Jefferson
Raising the property value of large parts of null - good!

WH changes - terrible. Awful. Seriously, if anything, it should be changed the other way, and null-null connections should be even more common. If you want to reward stewardship of space, and people actually 'living" in their constellations, then you should encourage people to find and deal with problematic WHs in their backyard, instead of just removing them. With how spread and thin people are becoming on the map, you want to give as many ways to force interaction as possible, not remove them. The Phoebe capital changes have made it incredibly hard to counter or punish capital usage on a local level, with good WH connections being one of the only ways to actually weave a more complex local conflict. It's actually engaging that people have to look and even possibly fight for WHs before a major fight, because that is literally the only way help for either side will arrive. It was bad before with the entire server showing up, but you don't want the opposite effect where conflict is so localized and one dimensional that fewer people choose to even fight. You absolutely need WHs if you are to fight locally against an entity that has more capitals than you. This threatens even more post-phoebe stasis.

It's still a terrible idea to live in null. Even if you raise the bar of the bad true-sec systems, you still haven't addressed that higher, less hassle income than the best true-sec systems is available elsewhere, namely FW space or HS. Why would I ever want to deal with a 2 hour commitment everyday defending against entosis for less isk/hr opportunities than I could find elsewhere? A single character carrier ratting is only turning about 100m/hr before escalations, which as others have mentioned, has killed the exploration profession due to how saturated deadspace loot is at the moment.

Let's try expressing this another way. Currently....

WH>FW/HS Incursions > Null.

It needs to be...

WH> Null > FW > HS Incursions/L4 blitz.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#195 - 2015-07-09 17:13:40 UTC
Nergal Hurrian wrote:


A certain type of space will never be your trophy grounds while at the same time, you are having almost perfect control of where and how your home wormhole is connected to, therefore, ensuring perfect safety for your PvE activities.


On the contrary, I dislike the concepts of critting holes and closing oneself off from the world so they can farm. I want the concept of a shattered highway to exist in wormhole space, and to move 75% of the farming and escallations in c5 and c6 space into shattered space, with unclosable regenerating shattered wormhole entrances (so no matter what, there is a connection, and a substantial sized one to go attack). Wormholers can still roll holes, they can still play with mass, but if you want to do massive isk making, you have to go into shattered space.

I wrote this out about 8 days ago on the 1st of July. Do note this was pertaining to specifically c5 and c6 space and not the nullsec interaction.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5858241#post5858241

In the end, I want perfect intel in nullsec to go away. I am ok with keeping how character info pops up in local, but local itself needs to expand to constellation chat (so no more perfect intel, just imperfect intel.

I want wspace to not turn into endless logoff traps to go kill escallation fleets because there is no way to do it due to them critting or rolling their hole, as now there will be no entrance into them. I want people to risk their ships, in both wspace and nullsec when they rat. Both area's have come up with perfect ways to close each other off to gain isk in safety.

I want both areas of space to change.

Yaay!!!!

Sadew42
Seekers of Agartha
#196 - 2015-07-09 17:25:21 UTC
Querns wrote:
C5s are not the only wormholes in eve, and this change specifically targets them.


The way it was worded, it seems to imply all WHs in null will be affected. At any rate, I finally have the tools to daytrip into C5s now, and this happens out of nowhere for no discernible reason?


kai il
Doomheim
#197 - 2015-07-09 18:14:31 UTC
I remember when CCP said "we think wormholes are in a good spot and probably the most balanced part of space" then ccp started to change it and it all went down hill and now we have A giant krab empire in highclass with no fights because everyone ****** off and getting fights in null is now 10 times as hard.

These changes to null wormholes are bad and you should feel bad, The only thing worse then large null blobs using wormholes to get fights is ccp nerfing wormholes even more to fix this problem, congrats you took a part of space that was working fine for the most part and absolutely destroyed with awful changes.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#198 - 2015-07-09 18:27:25 UTC
kai il wrote:
I remember when CCP said "we think wormholes are in a good spot and probably the most balanced part of space" then ccp started to change it and it all went down hill and now we have A giant krab empire in highclass with no fights because everyone ****** off and getting fights in null is now 10 times as hard.

nerf diplomacy
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2015-07-09 18:50:01 UTC
Sort Dragon just pointed the finger at Manny (PL) championing these changes.

Cats/Dogs/Up/Down What do we believe anymore!

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#200 - 2015-07-09 19:59:18 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Sort Dragon just pointed the finger at Manny (PL) championing these changes.

Cats/Dogs/Up/Down What do we believe anymore!



We are making the antidote for finger pointing