EVE General Discussion

"EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying..."

Omg ppl really? If you're so unhappy with the game quit already and go back to WoW or something...and give me all of your stuff

This thread has gone on for way too long now.

There's no point locking it. Another thread will just pop up within days.

Teg has been banging that drum for years. Originally on his blog he tried to campaign for the removal of 'reavers' because apparently the monstrous sociopaths are scaring away the cuddly potentials. Still sounds like bollocks to me. Isachunk isn't the least bit cuddly. Now he just seems to be bitter towards CCP over pretty much everything.

Having said that, the graphs that people keep creating are interesting. Sometimes they are annotated with major events (B-R/This is EvE trailer etc). I've yet to see one matched to major nullsec campaigns, or perhaps more importantly, an attempt to correlate dips to the implosion of large alliances/coalitions. Such a shame the QENs stopped being produced - there's masses of info in there that can be used to track ingame activity.

The r/eve metrics show a steady increase in people subscribed (the Total Subscribers graph). To put that in perspective, here is the r/gameofthrones stats. Considering how talked about GoT is on social media, EvE having 10% of their subs on reddit doesn't seem too shabby. One thing that is noticeable even when PCU numbers dip people are still rambling on about EvE on various social media sites (I wonder if the rambling intensifies to correspond with the PCU). Even when people aren't actively logged into the client, or subbed for that matter, they seem pretty engaged with the wider community. That doesn't fit all that well into these Armageddon narratives, and neither does the level of engagement apparent on reddit from devs.

Did you ever stop and think the reason Eve Metrics shows the reddit base for Eve growing inverse to the Player average online numbers might be that you can't post on the Eve-O forums when you cancel your sub...

Maybe it is a bad thing for CCP that there is a forum for the game that people can use and post and they don't even have to be active subscribers to use it.

Also, I will try and find it, there was a graph with player online averages by the week and it had milestone nullsec fights on it. Notably when a fight of epic damage and loss happened the player numbers went sharply up the next week... but then tanked below their previous average about a month later.

Over on Reddit it appears someone parsed the killboard data and determined that we are down only 14% in kills year to date, with 8% less unique antagonists. Compare that to the 30% drop in player averages and they surmised that PVE/Carebear types have left the game in far greater numbers or that alts are not being subbed any longer. The only weird thing about that though is kills in High Sec are on the rise and kills in null are down far more than before. I don't know exactly what that all means yet and I would rather like to look at the hard data.

That's rather odd, as I'm seeing more and more familiar faces returning to EVE (anecdotal though that may be).

Really so those of us who have been around for years should just leave - Because your happy with a few changes that a far greater number dislike.

I never played WOW but it does seem it would suit you much better than Eve - See Eve was built by players and what they did, where you seem to think WOW with its constant trash updates is ok for Eve.
Please don't let the door smack you in the back of the head as you leave. (It might damage the door)

Oh just just to be clear - This thread is players voicing concern - Only a few who don't actually partcipate in the thread see it as an "Eve is dying" thread.
But they too aren't wrong - Everything dies eventually, it may take a year it may take 10 but it will happen.

so bottom line is people will come, people will go, same shite different day.

if this thread was indeed about the fozzie sov changes then why not call it something like sov and you and how you feel?
No?
i guess that title just doesn't grab peoples attention like an EVE is dead or dieing thread.
or perhaps CCP took your toys away,, what ya gonna do about it?
No?
yea i guess what ya went with was better suited to your agenda.

No, don't leave because she is happy. Leave if you are unhappy (that's what she originally suggested).

Why continue to play a game that you appear to hate so much and see no redemption in it? Doesn't on the face of it seem to be a great way to be entertained.

Look, just log in and play the damb game. Ocker, if you don't think the new sov system will be fun for you, then you can do stuff in hi-ec, lo-sec, FW zones, W-space or even Thera.

I do login, every day and do, what some might call "play the game".

That doesn't change the fact devs are releasing a biased unbalanced sov system, it also doesn't change the fact I don't like it, I like the sov game but dislike griefing.

If everyone just sits back and lets bad change happen, it does and we the players get stuck with crappy game play for another 5 or 6 years.
You yourself said - You have experienced the boredom of Dominion, how long will it take for you to get bored with having to protect your sov for 4 hours every day so griefers don't make it unusable, how long will you keep running around chasing invisible attackers off-lining station services - Or will you leave the defending to others and just do your own thing?

Fozziesov is going to suit some groups perfectly but at the expense of anyone who doesn't "fit in" to the griefing play style.
As bad a Dominion is, it discouraged griefing because it was just too time consuming to grief someones sov if you didn't have plans for it - Fozziesov is the exact opposite - Griefing others sov is more valid than holding it.

It also doesn't change the fact that you are powerless to stop it. In fact, complaining about it too much has the opposite effect of what you intend. Developers are human and humans tend to double down when repeatedly told they are stupid for doing something.

You're wasting your time. The only thing you will gain from this 'forum effort' is access to an "I told you so" card in a few years if (when) Fozziesov doesn't work. I don't care for the concept either (it seems wrong for sov null, the kinds of people who do low sec/FW pvp ("warrior types) aren't the same kinds of people who live in Sov null (soldier types) and fozzie sov resembles FW to me, and did on duality). in fact I think it may end up being worse than our Dominion experience, but I've had my say and gained my "I told you so" card for later already.



If you pay to be bored for 5-6 years the problem isn't the game....