EVE General Discussion

Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment.

If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success).

If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information.

Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive.

C.

Fortunately your post is null since every one of your posts is "shitstupid".

Quit being an ass and accept the fact that other people do have other views and opinions...and you are not always right despite what you may think.

Maybe she took an arrow in her knee?

To be fair to CCP their previous blogs on the topic have been pretty clear: WiS development is, to all intents and purposes - dead.

What I would like to know from CCP is if they drew a distinction between players desires for a better focus on FiS, WiS and micro transactions. My perception is that CCP came to the conclusion that the player base did not want WiS which I dont believe is entirely true.

Certainly there are players, some vehemently, opposed to anything not FiS. I would suggest that the uproar over the summer was due to the fact that WiS didn't deliver to what CCP had hyped it to previously, and came with a ludicrous micro-transaction model and came with the baggage of neglected FiS features.

If WiS matched the original proposal, ditched the MT element and incorporated actual gameplay it could be well received by a good number of players. One cant help getting the impression that CCP threw a bit of tantrum and decided that if we wouldn't accept MT then tough, we wont get anything at all.

C.

how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10

Ranger1, a good post- but I do have to nit-pick on one point...

EVERYTHING in Eve is just a pop up menu box. That is the first thing that really struck me when I started playing-- that Eve is really just a series of pop up menus. So much so in fact that you could all but do away with the graphics of ships in space entirely.

I don't see how avatars will change that. You will simply walk with a robotic strut to a kiosk or something which will then open a menu box.
This is exactly all that Incarna does now. You can sit on a sofa and click Agent Finder, or just do the same from the hangar screen- the result is identical.

This is my problem with FiS. Not the concept, but rather that it's just window dressing over a basic, boring mechanic. Eve is pop up menus, and all Incarna did was add ugly full body models skulking around to do what I can in a second with a mouse click on a button on the side of the screen.
This is why most people don't see any point in WiS whatsoever-- it's just a slower, ugly way to accomplish what can be done on the side of the screen with one button press. WiS isn't any deeper than that- and thus, is really pointless to most eyes. It didn't change anything but HOW you get the menu pop up box.

Convert WiS to a third person shooter environment with stationside combat missions and dialogue, then put in the extra crap like establishments and mini-games to support that architecture. They already said they wanted people to be able to disembark onto sleeper sites and do that kind of crap, which is basically the same thing. If that was part of the original vision, why the hell are people so obsessed with arguing over the NEX store and the garbage associated with it? It's like the anti-WiS people have so much tunnel vision on the issue they can't see anything else.


They basically just want moar ships and moar boring revamped mechanics over and over again, in a niche game that has nearly run its course. Let's face it, nullsec blob wars are always going to be time driven grinds that are basically no fun other than the fact you can take a dump in someone elses coffee. No change in sov mechanics is ever going to make the experience much better than that, and demanding that 100% of resources be poured into changing this over and over again is straight lunacy. Pure FiS people don't seem to actually want anything innovative put into their game at all, and that's pretty sad.

Why would anyone be opposed to combat areas for WiS? Shooting people in the face isn't exactly space barbie. Maybe some people are just bad at aiming and that's why they like spreadsheets online. /shrug

i really despise grown assed men who giggle and enjoy looking at an avatar receiving a virtual lap dance from a pg-13 pixel exotic dancer, alt-tabbing out when the wife walks in the room
yes you are god damn right i would rather conduct my god damn affairs ingame with right click menus and pop up menus

While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many.

It could be argued that this scenario is little different from having your spys identifiy the FC's ahead of time and simply calling them primary, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun!

Of course, the advantage the FCs would have is that they would only have to get from the cloning chamber back to the C&C to pick up where they left off (unless the facilities were destroyed as well), while the FC's killed in space are effectively out of the picture until they can get a ship back to the scene of the battle.

And of course, you would be perfectly fine in continuing to FC from your ship (I'll assume you have been an FC). Nobody would force you to use any of this. However, once your corp mates realize that your enemy is a hell of a lot more organized than you are you might catch a little grief for refusing to use the tools available.

I'll assume from your lack of intelligent comments and having resorted to personal attacks and generic memes that have nothing to do with the conversation that you have conceded the argument. Or are you going to continue arguing that the system described that would greatly enhance fleet battles with a station based C&C, is instead useless simply because it would have a logical tie in with Incarna.