EVE General Discussion

I think you misread or at best misinterpreted what i said.
Established groups have been positioning them selves for Fozziesov since its inception.
They have nothing to fear from the coming changes as long as they have taken advantage of the months to prepare for it.

Fozziesov does anything but "punish the established", it will give them all but guaranteed security (barring an attack of stupid on the sov holders part). It rewards those who have taken sov and used the time to sure up its defenses.

Fozziesov will bring a whole new meaning to griefing;
Griefing does not equal fights for sov. Griefing does not and never will encourage long term content or conflict.
Griefing is all about maximum disruption at minimal cost to the griefer. They will go on griefing but that does not mean their will be good fights (or any for that matter).
What you will get is half entosed structures, left by the griefers as soon as anyone arrives to interfere with them.
Sov holder will then need to point their own laser at the structure for a few mins to undo the griefers work and wait to see if they come back. True griefers won't come back while you are there to defend, they don't want to fight, they just want to be griefers and cause as much disruption as possible with minimal risk of conflict.

The current state of my agenda is the call for a system which used NPC interaction and PvE for PvP purposes, rewarding players who PvE with influence on players who don't do it so the advantages of being a pew pewer can be matched with specific advantages for being a dedicated PvEr.

That would bring balance and a whole new way to play the sandbox. And of course would hlep retaining the 62% who are not here to gang up and PvP.

CCP thinks that NPCs should not do what a player can do... I think that NPCs can do things no player could, and when a NPC does what a player tells it to do, that NPC is no longer a grindable piece of code, but a PvP actor since its actions are dictated by a human intelligence.

That would be better than see how CCP rewards, expansion after a expansion, players who play in a different way than me, and see, expansion after expansion, how CCP doesn't gives a sh*t of my way of playing...

There already is (new space) game that has tried to blend players and NPC´s (Elite Dangerous), and just as in every other game in history, fighting against human(s) is something totally different than going after NPC´s for millionth time, humans are just so much more unpredictable and can actually work together well. One can consider odds against few NPC´s at once, but only a dead fool attacks alone many humans.

So i don´t really see how you would make NPC´s and PvE more connected to PvP, more than it already is through stats of systems.

Also, i think it might be technically impossible in EvE to change how NPC´s work (from how they have been programmed to work and show up now), i bet it would require whole redoing of programming to get NPC-haulers for example to jump through gates or NPC-mining in EvE...

... will come back again and again and again.

We have a current case where a group has put up nine POSes in eleven days that they do not defend. They throw them up as temporary safe spots, force us to grind them down repeatedly and all they do is Low Sec style gate camps and run away. They achieve nothing, do not want SOV, do not want a good fight.
They are just there to farm kills, pad their boards and weaponise boredom.

It will be a lot cheaper and less hassle for them to try force people to defend haphazardly. Then kill the few that come rushing to the defense.

When the infrastructure hubs are destroyed many many times, then people shall give up on Null Sec, can't get defense indexes up without them.

This must be the most constructive butthurt thread in the whole universe.



You keep telling yourself that.

I don't see a problem with griefers as you describe. If they run whenever there are defenders, just make sure you have people living in and defending the system. If you have too many systems for your amount of pilots, you have too much SOV and should consolidate and rightfully those other systems should be taken from you, regardless of whether it's by griefers who don't care about their own SOV or a group who wants to live in your unoccupied systems.

You seem to be envisioning the old style of SOV where a group can own multiple empty systems. That's not possible anymore. Previously, you could rely on SOV structures' HP buffer to passively maintain control of a system you never visited (except for a deliberate attack from hostiles, usually in capitals, of course.) With Fozziesov, you cannot do that - you have to actively maintain control of a system. Which sounds like a good thing to me.

A group of one or two hundred pilots should be able to actively occupy a constellation. They will still be subject to being wiped by a roving group like PL, or a nearby bored large alliance like GSF, but they could always have pilots in each system, be active enough in each system to get indexes up, and not have to worry about the occasional trollceptor. If their neighboring constellation has a similarly sized group, they can have plenty of long-term conflict with strategic objectives and back-and-forth action as participation and ISK levels ebb and flow.

Reavers are doing this right now.

CCP can only lead the horse to water. If the horse decides to take a big dump in it, oh well.

One of the things about sandboxes is that you have to lie in the bed you make. If these groups succeed in mooting the new sov system and breaking the game again, CCP should just laugh at them.

Its not the same amount of money to CCP, and it's creates inflation in game. Less pilots playing now than in 2009 when I started playing. Bad all around as far as I can see.

NPCs are predictable and with the exception of Concord, easily countered.

For any resistance to ganking to be truly effective it has to be in the hands of players who are familiar with game mechanics and how to use them effectively, otherwise gankers will continue to adapt and come up with doctrines with which to bypass the scripted NPCs.

NPC agencies are a lazy solution to a problem that should be left to players to solve.

Gankers will always be able to gank in this game whether dedicated players want to stop it or not. Ganking is an action and current and all plausible mechanics in this game dictate that stopping them is a reaction. Since Ganking is instantaneous for the most part, they will always finish or fail before anyone has the ability to react.

That being said, if there were penalties that had consequence for ganking... such as unable to use high-sec stations and services, or a progressively meaningful bounty system that made it lucrative to hunt said gankers, then we could talk about anti-ganking as a valid form of game play. But current alt use for nothing but ganking and being able to hide in station and warp around at will as -10 means anti-ganking is just not possible.

very off-topic though. Remember, eve is dying and that is what we are discussing.