Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can you imagine a bunch of PL neckbeards huffing and puffing trying to move their precious Aeons from gate to gate? Why next you'll be suggesting for them to shower, go outside and socialize outside of Fail Heap, and dare try to tackle the most elusive prey of all for them: a female with a pulse.

Oddsodz is right in part.

There's also the fact that Ishtar still won't be competing with other HACs due to the weapons system and it will be ignored for as long as possible by CCP.

They tried to downsize Sentries on this cruiser hull to Medium Turret levels but they can't - not with the projection & application double bonus in place.

Oops.

What's your point exactly?

Data is irrelevant if it doesn't meet your viewpoint apparently. Someone escort the Facts out of the Courtroom, please.

You ignored the fact that all of the other classes are balanced with Drone Bandwidth.

The VEXOR, VNI, ISHTAR - Or the VEXOR line isn't.

No one could see 1k DPS Tech 1 Cruisers being broken. No one.

No one could see 850 DPS, 110k EHP, 2.2 km/s Tech 1 Pirate cruisers being Top 1. No one.

Point taken?

The fact that Domi & Armageddon are both in the lead tells you everything you need to know about DDAs. There's only two ways out of this shebang: Fix DDA or Fix the Legacy 50% hull Hitpoint/Damage bonuses, because the base drone attributes are out of whack.

You never know who's who nowadays, Always dron mafia lurking around.

Pirate battleships weren't included because most likely Rattlesnake is No 1 and Commandships along with T3 and Recons have less bandwidth than that bloated Vexor cruiser family.

Thanks to people in the North for making a Dream Come True for every pilot. ♥

Special thanks also goes out to our Minmatar Bretheren for 330 mi TFIs, but that is off topic.

See? TFIs 330 mil is not news anymore. Turret battleships, please.

The text use for the link is misleading as not all ship classes are dominated by drones.

Here are the ones not dominated: T2, Navy Frigates; T1, T2, T3 Destroyers; T3 Cruisers; T1, T2, Navy Battler cruisers; T2, & Navy Battleships. Are drones strong and dominant in many classes? Yes. But exaggerating the facts makes you look like you are hiding things or have a hidden agenda.

Edit: I have no issue with the DDA change, but I don't like exaggeration because it can cause others to join in mob mentality with false information.

I'd say put in another Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer, but yeah, with drone ranges as far as they are, and then 120-140 km drone control range... yeah, I don't think this is going to slow down the ishtars much.

That's because there are no drone boats in those classes. Are you actually that stupid?

The only t2 frig that is a "drone boat" is the ishkur but it doesn't even have a bonus to drones so you can't count it. There is no drone navy frig. The comet is the only navy frig capable of using drones and tbh it probably is the most popular navy frig anyway so you're still wrong.

In t1 dessies the catalyst and thrasher only outdamage the algos because of the prevalence of suicide ganking. In real combat I'd wager the algos has top usage. There are no drone t2 destroyers. There are no drone t3 destroyers.

The only drone t3 cruiser is the proteus (no the legion doesn't count) and that isn't dominant because it has only 100m3 bandwidth combined with awful slot layout.

For the few remaining people that use t1 BCs I'm fairly certain there's a consensus that the myrm and proph are dominant. There is no drone navy BC.

I don't think anyone uses navy BS anymore when pirate are only 50 mill more. The only navy BS I would image used more than the domi would be the napoc because mega pulses are great and the napoc has essentially ishtar bonuses but for pulses. There is no drone marauder. BLOPs are mostly used for ganks where the slightly higher dps and instant application of the redeemer is better suited. In terms of actual combat where you don't outnumber your enemy 5 to 1, the sin is by far better. There are quite a few videos of solo active shield sin action on youtube as well as RR sin gangs.

In conclusion, the only classes where drone ships aren't dominant are the classes that have no drone ships.

I hate the change.

I couldn't care less about PvP, it's boring anyway, but my PvE boats take a very serious hit from this change.
Drone PvE boats were already heavily behind all turret and missile based PvE ships after the last round of nerfbatting (well, nerfbat habitually avoided gewns, but catering to gewns by nerfing everyone else is what CCP is all about).

Can I get a drone SP refund? With this change drone boats become useless in PvE and that's the only kind of Pv I care about.

No they are not. PvE = ISK farming and you're using drones because you can deploy dentries and laugh in their face with no ISK spent on ammo. Please be more precise as to which drone carrier you're using and how it's "behind" because I fail to see it.

As a frame of reference, I'm using a Muninn for my misssioning for pretty much the same reasons: artillery doesn't cost too much in ammo, and the speed keeps me alive. What are you fielding? Elaborate on why your favourite droneboat is behind. Then we'll talk.