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[Aegis] More balance! - Ishtars, DDAs and the Tempest

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Kahless Monstrosity
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#201 - 2015-06-22 18:37:10 UTC
Fix the ishtar and quit nerfing other drone boats, do you even think about the effects on other ships? Your stupid dps graph needs to be thrown away. Take sentrys away from ishtars, make them a armor boat, etc...

So now the already almost useless Super Capitals, get another nerf? Why do you continue to crap on supers/titans? Do you not care about them? If so just yank them out of the game and refund the SP..
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#202 - 2015-06-22 18:39:53 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:

What will you do with a 950 turret dps Tempest? Let us know!


I might spin it in station for old times sake more often . Cool It is nice to see a buff to the tempest. but this change is not enough to compel me to undock in one. To many drawbacks in the battleship class really to make it worth while more often than not. *shrugs*



Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#203 - 2015-06-22 18:40:07 UTC
TEMPEST LOVE!

♥ YOU SO MUCH Pirate
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#204 - 2015-06-22 18:40:21 UTC
Kahless Monstrosity wrote:
Fix the ishtar and quit nerfing other drone boats, do you even think about the effects on other ships? Your stupid dps graph needs to be thrown away. Take sentrys away from ishtars, make them a armor boat, etc...

So now the already almost useless Super Capitals, get another nerf? Why do you continue to crap on supers/titans? Do you not care about them? If so just yank them out of the game and refund the SP..

shield ishtar is kill.
All hail the armor ishtar with heavies, 100k EHP, and spider tank

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

evotta
Territorial Hanseatic League
#205 - 2015-06-22 18:44:22 UTC
As already many people pointed out, the problem of the ishtar is the sentries, not the drones in general. Nerfing the DDA would have an effect on all the other drone boats as well, not only the ishtar!
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#206 - 2015-06-22 18:48:21 UTC
ugly inside wrote:
instead of smashing the ishtar and drones in general.. why dont we buff this guy?


Hey, with the new fleet warp changes, you CAN be him.

P
159Pinky
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#207 - 2015-06-22 18:51:46 UTC
Just let me know when you're done nerfing the Ishtar. I'm done trying to come up with new fits over and over again. Consistency is needed. So just make a dev blog when you're satisfied with them.
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2015-06-22 18:51:58 UTC
Bunka en Daire wrote:
Why u just dont delete drone boats from game???
Even better u can mix up vexor and ishtar in one ship, so no more efforts for nerfing.

Or better why u just do not BUFF other ships, so u must nerf all drone boats, because of tiiiiit BLOBERS?

So when some1 invest year in training drones, u just nerf them and u make that one year of training pointless...

Bad thing with all this nerfing is beacuse u base all that on +200 mans fleet...so....do u think all eve players are part of CFC, PL, and other so called alliances who enjoy to blob 200 ishtars on one Maelstrom???

Do you realize how whiny you sound? What's the point in buffing other ships if it has the same balancing impact by making the playing field more level? Drones are OP. This is a great move.

And this has as much to do with blobs as it does with small groups. After drone assignment, in fact, it's really more of an issue with small groups where the most preferred PvP ships are drone boats.

Dez Affinity wrote:

Remove drone tracking mods. Rebalance sentry drones independently.

Problem fixed


It's kinda like the old hurricane - had too much fitting and speed to be that good. Was nerfing ACs the solution there? No.

battle Barviainen wrote:
Removing the midslot will not make it realy that less used, you need to remove the sentry's from the ishtar and let it keep the midslot and let it keep the speed + pwg nerf

On the contrary, check out current shield fits, and see how it would be impacted with -1 midslot. You'll either be (armor) tanky or have a punch, but not both.

Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:


The last 9 months has been nothing but nerfs. Makes me sad that no ships get to rise to power and instead CCP is just focusing on flavor of the month/year fits because people use them. I'd really like the punisher to shine or I'd really like the arbitrator to be a good displacement for the crucifier. I really wish I had a reason to use the rupture for anything but arties and autocannons suck.

But apparently proposing any buffs to underpowered ships in a huge fog of nerfs is considered "power creep"


You realize that a nerf to one weapon system is also a comparative buff to every other weapon system, right? And hey, get a pest ;)
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#209 - 2015-06-22 18:54:40 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd.


At least you finally started hitting the Ishtar.

Suitonia wrote:
Mind **** wrote:
don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP

gg


Because this causes power-creep, instead of balancing drones and the Ishtar, if you boost every single other thing, you then have even more balancing problems (very like to have a lot of overtuned/undertuned with the new buff numbers when you change so much stuff) then you have existing content like PVE getting easier due to more powerful player ships.


CCP nerf ships and everyone says all they do is nerf stuff. CCP buff ships and now everyone complains about a power creep.

They can't win.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#210 - 2015-06-22 19:03:32 UTC
I'm not really looking forward to refitting my Ishtars, but that's not really important.

+1 to these changes.

I'm not sure that the Tempest buff will do the trick, but cheers for trying. It needed some love.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

1Of9
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#211 - 2015-06-22 19:04:22 UTC
Ishtar is my favorite PvE **** of all game, well since started playing eve.

It as a fragile enough tank, not enough buffer to sustain alot of damage, that makes me nervous every time I try to do a higher level plex or site.

This ads to the fun in game I love to enjoy.

However, with this slot and cpu/grid changes, I wont be able to do this anymore, I will have to move to another ship, problem is, I will not have that nervosism from flying a tank-fragile cruiser-sized almost-no-buffer ship.

http://i.imgur.com/p4w9PNO.png

I guess the old ishtar smile is really dead now
Viserion Pavarius
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#212 - 2015-06-22 19:06:39 UTC
Hey,

That DDA change not good imo. You are not nerfing the Ishtar specifically (what Needs to be done), you are nerfing every drone boat in the game.

It would much be better to change the sentry damage bonus completly from the ishtar rather than killing an entire weapon system and by this, ships who use also sentrys but are not ridiculous overpowered (Domis, Rattlesnakes) and in addition ships who use normal drones (Gila, worm etc)
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2015-06-22 19:08:22 UTC
Mimiko Severovski wrote:
So more nerfs to caps (supers/carriers).
When is fatigue getting fixed btw?


The horse surrenders. Please stop beating it.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#214 - 2015-06-22 19:12:54 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Suitonia wrote:
CCP Fozzie - 5:47PM : PVP damage per month leader per class: T1 Frigate - Tristan, Pirate Frigate - Worm, T1 Cruiser - Vexor, Navy Cruiser - VNI, Pirate Cruiser - Gila, T2 Cruiser - Ishtar, T1 Battleship - Dominix

http://puu.sh/iyxmt/3448c15a01.png


Drone Cruisers Online. Smile

See sig.


Your sig is rather misleading as it doesn't group battleships (T1s, Marauders, BLOPs), frigates, Battlecruisers, or other similar hulls together.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#215 - 2015-06-22 19:13:04 UTC
Remove the Ishtars 5% sentry drone bonus and leave drone damage amps the hell alone.
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2015-06-22 19:13:46 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results.


Pretty much.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#217 - 2015-06-22 19:14:26 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
But when a cruiser opens up and vaporizes a BS in 20 seconds under conditions that supposedly favor the BS while taking negligible damage itself, that's OP.

Can i have this cruiser?

Heavy Drone Isthar and Gila if fitted and flown right (I've seen both good and bad Gilas already).

so... those Ishtars and Gilas had 5'000 dps? (assuming a nearly untanked 100k hp BS)

No Solo Roam BS has that much HP unless you bling it. Fleet fits are something else, but that's not what Soldarius was referring to, I would assume.


My t1 solo phoon has 96k EHP. Id say thats pretty close. FI phoon is about 130k EHP. Most BS are capable of fielding 100k EHP without much trouble. Even solo fits once you factor in AAR amounts.
Raquel Smith
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#218 - 2015-06-22 19:17:17 UTC
I was initially sad about this change since I use my Ishtar exclusively for missions and not PVP. It's just a good way to spend a couple hours ever few weeks waiting for CCP to fix null sec.

I armour infinite armour tank my Ishtar and use mids for nav computer, drone tracking, cap recharger and afterburner. Now that I'm losing a mid-slot I can ditch the remote armour repairer I used to repair my drones in-space and a cap recharger. I'm still easily, laughably cap stable and repairing 574 hp/9 sec. I get a free low slot which I can put a Drone Damge Amplifier II in which will boost my drone's damage. Hopefully it will help mitigate my ship moving slower.
Beta Maoye
#219 - 2015-06-22 19:18:31 UTC
The subject should be [Aegis]Nerf to all drone boats.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2015-06-22 19:22:11 UTC
Querns wrote:
Removing some or all of the sentry bonuses on the Ishtar would be considerably more effective at keeping them in line.


I have to agree. There is no reason a cruiser sized hull should provide bonuses to a battleship sized weapon system.

The ship itself is fine - it's the sentry drone bonuses speifically that are causing it to be unbalanced. Fix the bonuses and the ship will fall into line.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno