Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In-game tools, for everything, so players won't have to resort to outside of the game websites and sometimes real work, to make something happen inside the game. These would also add more immersion into the game.

Things like - SRP for example. Just one of them that I quickly thought about.

Some may call me lazy - well maybe I am, I know for sure I would never accept to be a SRP person that has to do real work outside the game with spreadsheets and everything, for something in game to work. I have enough to do outside of the game, I am a casual player. I know there are people who do it, I am grateful to them, but I think it should be a game mechanic.

SRP in game works like this:

The title of FC, with different ranks exists in game for an alliance (or corp). The alliance leaders create these ranks, and each rank has SRP values for - various ship classes. For example: Junior FC: frigate 10 mil, destroyer 20 mil, cruiser 50 mil. Senior FC can SRP: battleship 300 mil, T3 500 mil, etc. As many ranks as they want, fully customizable and editable at any time (by leadership).

When one of these ranked FCs in an alliance go on a fleet they want to give SRP for, they select to create a special type of fleet, or check a checkbox (SRP fleet). They can also create a simple fleet, with no SRP, anytime. Only ranked FCs can do this. They are given this power, by some leadership, not every FC will be able to SRP.

When fleet is finished, this ranked FC fills in a form with: time window for SRP, game region (he can select any number of star systems he wants), ship types, and he has in that window everyone who was in fleet. Even a window that lists all loses with their fits. If he knows someone did nothing but lost his ship somewhere unrelated - he can delete them from that list. Then he presses OK, and everyone gets SRP according to their ship losses during that time frame, in those systems. If anyone is caught cheating somehow - he gets kicked. Simple, no special person with roles needed to do hours of work for SRP. Then - each pilot can choose to accept or not the SRP isk when they get it.

Also see this reply. Corp leadership could choose to approve the SRP form themselves later instead of the FC, if the FC has a higher rank and can SRP a lot. Leadership would only have to do a quick check - to see that the fleet was indeed used for a stratop (if that's their policy), check the losses (fits), then press OK. Members would get ISK according to the FC rank that led them.

I know the story about EVE and it's ancient code. My idea looks simple - but it may be not so simple? Well, from my point of view, EVE needs to get over that, re-code, re-do, do something if it wants to continue, for any new space game this idea would be something trivial.

Corporate tax. Corporations can choose to give a portion of their corp tax to the alliance SRP pool. It's not something default, and it can be stopped at any time.

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SRP isn't a mechanic of the game - it's something your corporation or alliance chooses to offer.

Here's the crux of the issue. SRP is very individual. Some corps and alliances only pay SRP for certain ops, or under certain FCs. Hell I was in an alliance that only paid SRP on T1 destroyer and frigate hulls. How is CCP supposed to be able to design a system that will meet all of these individual use cases without spending gobs of time on it that could be better spent on actual game development?

Better question - why should they?

Those cool Eve corps with no SRP don't have an SRP because it takes funding to replace everything that's lost under the "rules" that that corp/alliance has established......both which are player made because they want people to fly with them and in their fleets.

all of the third party tools are exactly that....third party....in other words not done by CCP

Infact there is a lot of things CCP want to take out of the game that's been a staple for years, for example they want to get rid of the browser to lighten their work load

You're still avoiding the question:

Why should CCP devote resources to providing these tools in lieu of providing enhacements and expnsion for the game content itself? Especially considering that the player base has already developed these tools for themselves.

You have a fundamental lack of understanding of several of the mechanics in question:
- SRP is not a function, its a gift and privileged corps/alliances make a choice to offer it. Most people dont.
- You dont need spreadsheets to do proper SRP, i managed SRP Bombers a few times out of my own pocket a year or two ago, 0 spreadsheets involved, it was 2 easy steps 1. look at wallet 2. pay people for lost ships
- Corp taxes are for the corp, the alliance isnt an entity its an agreement that everyone who is a part of it works together for a greater good / evil.
- Voice comms being out of game DO matter, try using eve voice for a 60+ man fleet if you think otherwise
- Players develop third party tools because EVE was never meant to provide them in the first place, its a complex game and equally complex players create ways to simplify it


Moving any of this into the game, or adding your strange SRP idea to the game does absolutely nothing to enhance, detract, change, or expand on existing gameplay and the mechanics in question

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Still waiting for an answer to the big blinking WHY.

SRP is used to encourage the use of the correct fits. In the Imperium at least, if you turn up to a harpyfleet in an active tanked blaster fit, the SRP guys will laugh at you as they deny the payout. In an automated system, you'd get the payout.

Considering the range of support ships people use, turning up to an armour BS fleet in a drake would get the same SRP as turning up in an anti-support hurricane if you were just limiting it by shipclass, and if you go as far as limiting it by ship type, you'll be spending more time setting up the SRP system for each fleet than you will actually flying.

And your system doesn't even begin to take into account things like varying payouts for different ships in a class, or for different fits on said ships, or bonus payouts for certain fleet roles, or skill requirements to make sure the people flying the ship are actually capable of it. Hell, what does your system do if you have two guys from different alliances? Would BRAVE pay my SRP if we were flying together under one of your FCs?

An automated in game system like this would be considerably worse than the kind of google doc 'paste your lossmail here and tell us what happened' thing I've been used to for the past three or four years.

Well it would appear this thread is well in hand. Multiple people have already posted much the same things I would have said. So, I will simply say this.

It's a bad idea. Not many people are going to get behind you on this idea; CCP wont, corp leaders that do SRP won't, and lots of players won't either. After all, why would they? For one, CCP would have to put effort in to this, effort that could be better spent on other things like *cough* Re-balancing supercarriers in lowsec *cough*. Also, CCP cannot make one size fits all tool. As stated groups have different SRP setups (Also, important to note is that these setups already work as they are and don't need some new tool), and CCP can't make one tool that works for everyone.

Basically, there is not reason to do this. Not enough people will support your idea for it to matter anyway. I understand that you have your own opinions on the matter, but I recommend you don't waste your time on this.

I have read your first post. I simply didn't agree with it, or think it would work well. There is a good old saying, "Don't mess with success." What we have works, why change it?


Also, "Nobody is forced to use supercarriers." That response is so blatantly misguided it makes me question your experience with this game.