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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-06-03 21:12:53 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Pieter, i'm not in any way condoning the existence of these camps or the treatment of those inside.
Nor have i denied they exist at any point.

And this monster dares to say this after
iyammarrok wrote:
blowing up colonies? even penal ones?

*looks at a list of commonly used FedNav weaponry*

nope.


Words of this "iyammarrok" are covered with blood of innocents, his kin are slaughtering and covering it up. He is not better than those, who pull detonator triggers in penal colonies.

But we know what they are doing, and we will come for them!
Roden and all his supporters will pay for their crimes.

Rise, Caldari people! Take the arms! Time to clean our space and stop gallentean murderers!!
Every second you hesitate to join the fight another Caldari might die because of your indecisiveness!

Fight, fight for your Corporation! For your Family! For your Kirjuun! For your Home!
FOR THE STATE!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#62 - 2015-06-03 21:27:48 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:


If any of us actually believe they are, then I have a very nice photo album of my wedding to Empress Jamyl Sarum I that I would like to sell you.

You're married to Jamyl!? Umm, awkward, me and her have been seeing each other for a couple of months now.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#63 - 2015-06-03 22:50:01 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Let's stop playing games and be honest with each other...

...or perhaps we should be honest with ourselves first.

None of our governments are innocent. None of them are free of corruption. None of them are shining examples of the principles and convictions that they are supposedly built upon.

If any of us actually believe they are, then I have a very nice photo album of my wedding to Empress Jamyl Sarum I that I would like to sell you.

We don't support our respective governments because they're innocent. We don't stand in their defense and argue on their behalf because they're beacons of morality, ethics and principles.

We do so because, even with all of their faults, sins, wickedness, failures, corruption and deceit, we find the ideals they are built upon, the societies they foster and/or the people they harbor to be of greater value.

This doesn't absolve them of their crimes, alleviate them of their responsibilities or justify their sins...but it does give us something to hold to, something to fight for and something to kill for. Perhaps the dream of what our governments could be is a powerful force that drives us, compels us, to strive ever toward it with conviction and dedication or perhaps it is so fragile that a whisper would shatter it and so we must defend it from all attacks and act in its stead to protect it from itself.



I offer no excuses nor justifications for the existence of these camps. Their existence simultaneously makes me sick and angry but I also know they are only one of the many monsters hiding in the Federation's closet. What is truly beyond acceptability is that this already disgusting situation would then be twisted further, even to the point of inflicting greater suffering on the already wronged occupants, for politicizing and warmongering without regard to the consequence or the source. That is inexcusable.


I am quoting this in its entirety because it needs to be read by all those looking at this thread. What Liam has said is truth in every sense of the word. Its an argument that fanatics have no counter to, one that they try to ignore. But I say that when the fanatics spout crap repost this post so they have no way to respond.

Let's let this thread die with the wise words spoken here today.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#64 - 2015-06-03 22:55:21 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Let's let this thread die with the wise words spoken here today.

Or discuss equal opportunity employment for Furriers. Furriers are people too.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2015-06-03 22:56:40 UTC
Yes, remember the call to reason but also... remember the camps.

And remember that everything the Federation stands for is lessened by their mere existence.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#66 - 2015-06-03 23:00:12 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Yes, remember the call to reason but also... remember the camps.

And remember that everything the Federation stands for is lessened by their mere existence.


There are things we could talk about that would do the same to the state, but it gets us no where. How about we focus on fixing our selves and not pointing fingers at others? Who here is with out fault that gives them the right to point out fault in others? This isn't going to help us, it never has and never will.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#67 - 2015-06-03 23:10:20 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Who here is with out fault that gives them the right to point out fault in others?

Umm..... hi. My name is Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, The Faultless One, and guardian of Furriers. Nice to meet you. Smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-06-03 23:53:44 UTC
Natheniel wrote:

Let's let this thread die with the wise words spoken here today.

Wise words would be to point out on all these fanatics, who are trying to silence the truth that they are doing with unarmed men, women and children.

We already know what you, gallenteans, are doing with colonists and PoWs in Black Rise. You can say whatever you want, but you can't hide the truth anymore.

YOU are committing crimes, and YOU will pay for them!
In the name of Justice!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#69 - 2015-06-03 23:55:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Natheniel wrote:

Let's let this thread die with the wise words spoken here today.

Wise words would be to point out on all these fanatics, who are trying to silence the truth that they are doing with unarmed men, women and children.

We already know what you, gallenteans, are doing with colonists and PoWs in Black Rise. You can say whatever you want, but you can't hide the truth anymore.

YOU are committing crimes, and YOU will pay for them!
In the name of Justice!

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FURRIERS?!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2015-06-04 00:07:49 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Yes, remember the call to reason but also... remember the camps.

And remember that everything the Federation stands for is lessened by their mere existence.


There are things we could talk about that would do the same to the state, but it gets us no where. How about we focus on fixing our selves and not pointing fingers at others? Who here is with out fault that gives them the right to point out fault in others? This isn't going to help us, it never has and never will.


Great Maker - how hard is it to get you people to admit that illegal concentration camps, called 'death camps' by some, are an unequivocably bad thing?

Them being a bad thing does not eliminate all other bad things. Them being a bad thing doesn't make the Federation irredeemably and completely morally corrupt forever. It doesn't obviate every argument against the State. Why does there have to be a but? Just accept that the camps are terrible and ought not to exist and that, as citizens of a democracy it rests upon YOU to force your government to do something about them.

And then, you know, continue to do and say things about the OTHER stuff too. It's allowed.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#71 - 2015-06-04 00:47:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Why are you even trying, gallentean?!

My name is James....

I am trying my dear because I have determined you are worthy of the effort.

I watched your struggle during our conversations.

A struggle with hate, fear and a life time of self-deluding fabrications, that for a fleeting glimmer of time you conquered.


If you claim that the fact that gallenteans blow up penal colonies with Caldari prisoners of war is a fabrication, you are a cold-hearted monster, one of the worst kinds that our universe can born!

Oh, I am a monster my dear to be sure, just not a cold hearted one.

Search yourself, you do the cause for which you claim to fight more harm than I ever will.

Monsters indeed.

I will wait, when you are ready…

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#72 - 2015-06-04 01:35:15 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
[quote=Natheniel][quote=Pieter Tuulinen]

Them being a bad thing does not eliminate all other bad things. Them being a bad thing doesn't make the Federation irredeemably and completely morally corrupt forever. It doesn't obviate every argument against the State. Why does there have to be a but? Just accept that the camps are terrible and ought not to exist and that, as citizens of a democracy it rests upon YOU to force your government to do something about them. .



So when you and yours want things changed in the state you just yell at the corporations and they comply immediately? I don't think its that easy or quick in the state and its not that easy or fast in the federation either. Change takes time, sometimes it takes longer then we may like but the fact is steps are being taken.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#73 - 2015-06-04 01:48:43 UTC
I thought I told you lot that this thread was about Furriers. Stop this **** waving contest and discuss the benefits of equality for our diminutive furry friends.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Daaaain
China Ground Wind Corporation
Ground Winds Corporations
#74 - 2015-06-04 03:30:46 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I thought I told you lot that this thread was about Furriers. Stop this **** waving contest and discuss the benefits of equality for our diminutive furry friends.


I feel cloyed with your comic relief. But I must say you do look sexy
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2015-06-04 04:36:18 UTC
Daaaain wrote:

I feel cloyed with your comic relief

Welcome to the IGS. You'll get used to it.

Daaaain wrote:
But I must say you do look sexy


Thanks, I'm spoken for though.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2015-06-04 04:57:30 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
[quote=Natheniel][quote=Pieter Tuulinen]

Them being a bad thing does not eliminate all other bad things. Them being a bad thing doesn't make the Federation irredeemably and completely morally corrupt forever. It doesn't obviate every argument against the State. Why does there have to be a but? Just accept that the camps are terrible and ought not to exist and that, as citizens of a democracy it rests upon YOU to force your government to do something about them. .



So when you and yours want things changed in the state you just yell at the corporations and they comply immediately? I don't think its that easy or quick in the state and its not that easy or fast in the federation either. Change takes time, sometimes it takes longer then we may like but the fact is steps are being taken.


When I wanted things in the State changed, Monsieur, I and others took action and we changed them.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#77 - 2015-06-04 06:20:09 UTC
Eh, you damn sure took your time about it.

Also, concentration camps are bad. Mmkay?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2015-06-04 08:51:26 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Daaaain wrote:

I feel cloyed with your comic relief

Welcome to the IGS. You'll get used to it.

Daaaain wrote:
But I must say you do look sexy


Thanks, I'm spoken for though.


Firstly is that a couple of furriers down your vest or are you pleased to see me?

Secondly being 'spoken for' doesn't necessarily preclude certain entertainments...
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#79 - 2015-06-04 08:58:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Pieter, i'm not in any way condoning the existence of these camps or the treatment of those inside.
Nor have i denied they exist at any point.

And this monster dares to say this after
iyammarrok wrote:
blowing up colonies? even penal ones?

*looks at a list of commonly used FedNav weaponry*

nope.


Words of this "iyammarrok" are covered with blood of innocents, his kin are slaughtering and covering it up. He is not better than those, who pull detonator triggers in penal colonies.

But we know what they are doing, and we will come for them!
Roden and all his supporters will pay for their crimes.

Rise, Caldari people! Take the arms! Time to clean our space and stop gallentean murderers!!
Every second you hesitate to join the fight another Caldari might die because of your indecisiveness!

Fight, fight for your Corporation! For your Family! For your Kirjuun! For your Home!
FOR THE STATE!


before you refute a statement Diana, learn or research it's meaning.
That is all.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#80 - 2015-06-04 16:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Natheniel
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

When I wanted things in the State changed, Monsieur, I and others took action and we changed them.


Please, enlighten me to the last noticeable change you made with in the state and how long it took. I am curious as to how fast things happen in your government.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."