Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ATM eve is split into two sections - those that trained command ships before the requirement change and those that didnt.

And for those that didnt, the new requirements are simply INSANE.

For example, on this character, it would take 54 days to train the prerequisites for all 4 Titan skillbooks.
It would take 55 days for command ships.
The old system, which basically required cruiser 5, BC5, then either logi or hac depending on which shiptype was much simpler and made more sense, apart from possibly the cruiser link now cruisers and BC's have become two distinct trees.
But requiring level 5 in ALL link skills, meaning you need level 5 armour link skill to fly a Caldari and level 5 sheild to fly an Amaar command ship makes no sense whatsoever.

Im ok with how things are atm considering how powerful Command Ships are. Your comparison with Titans makes no sense as it requires much more skills to fly a Titan properly while youre pretty much good to go with command ships after CS4.

Quoting myself from another active thread in a different subforum, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5686676#post5686676

Confirming my Rorq booster is getting all those skills trained once I realized what the benefit was.

the power of a command ship has little to do with it's dps

Fair assessment regarding BC's, but that seems more like an issue with the balance of BC's than the training for CS's. Regarding the rest, the skills involved are theoretically half the reason for the existence as a class.

Speak for yourself on T1 BC's. I use them frequently, not to mention Nado/naga/talos/oracle all benefit from BC skill as well. Those ships are still in heavy use for the most part. Not to mention training BC5 makes sense... its a t2 BC. Do you complain about needing cruiser5 to fly a HAC? Or BS5 to fly a marauder?

Just because you don't fly T1 BC, doesn't mean the skill is useless.

In regards to the OP, I don't like having to train all the fleet/leadership skills since i will probably never use a CS in a fleet role. However, it isn't outside the realm of sense that a CS needs command type skills to fly. i'll suck it up for a month to train it so i can have access to some good ships ( 2 weeks left! )

Well if you'd like.....we could request BS 5 be a requirement for cap flying be reinstated to tack on 28 days per race. Hell lets make it 25 for easy math. That's 100 days more. Good now? Ships are posted max skills assumed...skill plans are assumed 0 sp and average implants. Unless you'd like to post your chars skills you have a useless comparison here.


CCP made official what was a player preference anyway. A proper fleet booster had all basic warfares 5'd anyway. Amarr giving that passive boost to shields is 10% of shield hp boosted. That is more hp your opponent is chewing through before it even hits your real tank. I have been in armor boats where I warped off smoking. Sole reason for this was an extra few HP's on the shield took that 1-2 shots that would have been the shots that pushed hull into explode mode sooner.

If it is deadweight for you, do not train into these ships. CS are, unlike most other ships, highly specialized hulls filling a highly specialized role. In order to be effective in this role, you have to train highly specialized skills. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, you do not have to train most of the advanced leadership skills in order to fly them, just the basic skills that require no excessive training time. Get over it, plug in the Charisma implant and invest some time into these powerful hulls. If that is too much to ask from players, they should not try to train into these ships and instead go for BS or just HAC.

Not to mention that your perception of "dead weight" is nothing but your perception. I regularly hear and read requests for booster pilots in our fleet that linger around unanswered for many minutes until a couple of the few really good and necessary booster pilots log in. The more people you have with these skills trained, the better for fleets as they can leave earlier or at least have these vital roles filled earlier. If you do not use CS for fleets, you do not have to train anything but the basics, as said.

It could be argued that the skill requirements for the ships could be made more race specific, but, just as in the last thread about this topic, no one has come up with suitable replacement skills that keep the skill training at roughly the same length and fulfill CCP's requirement that more unique skills are required so that you have to train skills that do not unlock several ship classes at once. No one has thought about it in the last thread and neither has the OP, you or anyone so far in this thread.

Therefore: No need to change anything here. Absolutely no support from my side.

They're still weird. What on earth armor bonuses are worth to a nighthawk pilot, for example, is beyond me. It is also annoying that the command ships are not weighted to Cha in the skill training. It's asinine to map to CHa for all the LD skills them have the damned ships need something else.

But then, I trained before the swap sooooo yeah. There's that.

I prefered the old way. They were uber battlecruisers and the training reflected the combat nature with links as an option. They are formidible combat ships and with the drive/desire to push them on grid, having more useful combat overlap is preferred to my mind.