EVE General Discussion

CCP will "balance" along what the player base perceive. Fighters getting bonus from drone mods was a perfect example of that. Nobody cared about it when it was announced because everybody was so used to carrier being **** at killing small stuff. Giving a tracking and damage bonus to somthing that can't track worth **** can't be broken. Then people actually saw what it really meant in the grand scheme of things and started suing it. Then some people of course got on the recieving end of this and decided "I can do it too!". It's not until it was much more prevalant that any call to nerf assist ever got traction because everybody was always assuming carrier assigned fighter were borderline worthless. Every time they had seen it it was crap. Until they got volled' off grid a few time and realised it was not a fluke of every stars aligning against them. Fast forward and carriers and supers start assisting fighters much more often and what was not seen as an issue actaully pop out with much more player getting affected.

Is incursion income too good? More than likely but the bandwagon is not getting any fatter because people can't be arsed to run them anyway. If people cared enough, getting in a fleet would be much more of a hassle because you can bet people would be running them. Many player already have enough ISK to live by for god know how long. Some don't even want to put any effort and sell PLEXes. Traders make mountains because the relatively small amount of competitors keep the margins in some niche good. Mission runners can't be arsed to have to follow order from an FC and/or won't accept to rely on others for their income. Some people live by with what null will earn them so they won't run incursion even if it's better isk/time.

"It's too good" is completely relative and we currently have the proof that it's not that huge of a deal because we see one thread once a month maybe about it and it's always the same 3 camp bickering over it. "It's too good", "it's fine" and "stop posting and prove your claim" are posting more and more with longer and more precise wording of their argument but no one budge from it's current position. The statu quo was never threatened during those 36 pages because nobody will actually try to prove what they claim. Mostly because it's impossible to prove but also because :effort:.

You can say I rationalise over stuff to make my point but at the end of the day, incursion, just like trading, is only a klondike when you are actually doing it right and we won't ever tap it out because the very vast majority can't be bothered with it. More people actually care about owning "worthless" space than they do about the 200+ mill income available in high sec.

FW income was savagely nerfed because just ten people figured out how to make a boatload of cash.

It got nerfed also because they pushed it and people were jumping on the bandwagon.

Why aren't people jumping on the incursion billionaire train like they were on the FW billionaire train?

Because the ISBotter train went off the rails already, but apparently it can still be done with similar efficiency in Vanguard sites, as presented by a few people.

Interesting to note, that most Incursion payouts are in Hisec, here is data to point out that balance is not infallible - https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/165439199904931840



Here's more recent data, 2014 - Top Sinks & Faucets - http://i.imgur.com/wybDyAB.png

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ

There is no disambiguation on location, however - probably to keep forum PvP and rabblrabble to a minimum.

Well damn, I should have hopped on that.

So much for those guys talking about low and null incursions lol.

Go run incursion while they are still easy ISK or you will miss out!!!

Just to note, this was at the very least before the buff to Null Vanguards. And possibly the data was also before the nerf to Highsec Incursions that occurred, though I believe the post was after the Nerf if I remember correctly.

Well, that's what we have to work with - it's either this, or charts with no scales.

And yet, all resource acquisition from Highend base minerals, to bottleneck T2 materials along with T3 still do operate under such a concept. It has been so for as long as I can remember.

But then again, these resources have to find their ISK, or rather the other way around - the ISK inflows minus sinks, ideally, have to be matched to the amount of procured resources per unit of time - and during most of 2014 that was 25-30 Trillion ISK per month looking to park itself.

I'd love to see a lot more of that kind of data.

If nothing is changing with respect to the topic at hand, then it can be safely assumed that the metric that they have says the system is balanced, because apart from Lvl 4 measly bounties & Agent reward, along with Incursions, there are no active ISK incomes in Highsec, and without active ISK incomes, the transfer of wealth from Highsec to entities who control the aforementioned resources would be rather disastrous, since Highsec doesn't have many resources that the rest of New Eden needs, if at all.

And no, most of the commodities on the LP stores of both FW and Lvl4s are a net sink in the economy - they don't print ISK.