Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nope, you still haven't figured it out. Well, I tried.

C&p rule 1 and all that. Besides for all the no fear claims he made an ALT just to post here

What you did there is list off a set of activities all of which are done by the same general group of people. There is no definitive distinction between people who awox or scam and people who declare wars and bump miners. It's the same people.

Bringing Holysheet into an argument is unfair. Some people are just leeches.

How does one go about requesting the forum thread be moved to the proper venue anyways?

Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

Let's revise the name for this proposal to what it really is:
Proposed Changes to Legally Shoot High-sec Players

"They say evil prevails when good humans fail to act. What they ought to say is, evil prevails." – Lord of War

If there's no ISK to be made in ganking the target, let's find a cheaper alternative: Let's make war profitable again!

• We've decided to nerf high-sec income (again). And to make it less of an attractive option, if you choose to remain in an NPC corporation we're nailing this by another 30-40% on top of everything else. Oh wait, did we mention that NPC corps can't run any L4 or L5 missions? (this excludes burner missions as well) L4 missions are highly overrated anyway...

• So you've decided to join (surprise!) a player-owned corporation! It ironically now costs the same to setup as issuing a WarDec, but don't let that deter you! Just a reminder that you need to find a minimum of 10 active players or we unceremoniously bump you back to the minor leagues and keep your deposit fee (nothing personal you understand, but we have to ensure that those WarDecs get full value!) Corporations are now safer than ever with the ability to turn friendly fire off, which ensures those AWOX'ing days are over (CONCORD does charge a small premium for this added security, however - but how can you put a price on freedom?)

• Did we mention your corporation can deploy a new structure to enhance ISK income? (I know, you're welcome) Just ensure that your corporation is the first in the system to deploy one (there is a limit of one). What's that you say? All high-sec systems already have one? That's odd, they were just announced... No problem - just issue a WarDec against the owning corporation (this has worked out quite well with high-sec POCOs, as they change hands so frequently it's hard to keep track of!) After all, it's worth your while to go after these new structures - they're siphoning off a portion of your entire corporate income!

• So you're experiencing your first WarDec - congratulations! Even though the three corporations and alliance massively outnumber you, don't let that be a deterrent! (think David and Goliath) If you don't logon you can't earn any ISK anyway, right? Don't worry about those neutral rep'ing alts - they'll be flagged as suspect and basically shot on sight. But perhaps combat is not your thing, and the prospect if fighting battles where you're hopelessly outclassed and outnumbered doesn't appeal to you (hey, it's not for everyone!) Before you "jump ship", remember that you won't be joining another corporation anytime soon (at least for a week). During which time there's a bounty on your head in the form of a free kill right (yes, the ones that required something substantially more evil to earn).

• So you've decided to take a break from EVE. That's completely understandable. After seeing what happened to your corp mates who opted to fight (and even worse, the ones that fled with those kill rights), anyone would find that unsettling. While you're holed up in Jita, do check out the local want ads (there are some excellent bargains!) and partake in the ever-popular 'ship spinning'.

So you've decided to quit EVE. May we ask why?

• ConstStructs: Limited of one per constellation (better than POCOs, so you can gain a 15% ISK, LP and mining yield for the PvE components of your alliance. CorpStructs have a reduced gain, limited to one per system and requiring a moon to anchor (in close proximity an an enemy POS, no doubt).
• Carebears Bane: Leeches ISK, LP and ore/gas from active players in-system (resides in the safety of a POS, probably a large one).
• NPC corporation tax: Increase to 20% for non-trial accounts (because why not).
• Social corporations: 10% mandatory tax, limited to 20 players. Costs $50m ISK to establish (let's make it the same cost to dodge a WarDec so we can attrition the smaller corporation to death).
• Player corporations: Minimum of 10 players; after 72-hours of dropping below the minimum all structures and alliances are forfeit (will also assume the cost to establish is $50m ISK).
• WarDecs: Can now be assisted on both sides (let the slaughter commence).

Did I miss anything?

This thread seems to be comprised of about 80% Marmite, Break a Wish, and CODE. All furiously lending a hand to their neighbor for a mutually satisfying ending.

Much of an echo chamber in here?

I can't see much a regard at all for the non wardeccing side.

In an effort to force people into being targets, you propose massively increasing the penalties of NPC corps, making the penalties for leaving a corp under war very high, creating structures that further leach income from everyone who doesn't belong to the group that owns it, minimum corp sizes with enforced tax rates that don't even go to the corp, and allowing the aggressor to have others assist them without wardeccing.

And the carrot? A limited availability structure that is controlled by force and must be wardecced to obtain. This structure totally wouldn't just be taken by the strongest groups around, and then sold to the highest bidder, just to be hired to take it again, over and over and over again.

This whole thread is basically just a bunch of highsec wardeccers sitting around exclaiming to each other about what a great idea it is. All the depth of a political rally.

If by "wouldn't normally utilize it" you mean they would be attracted to a system where they don't even have to put in the miniscule amount of effort that is currently required in the wardec system in order to prey on the weaker players, yes.

Dolphins, sharks, and grizzly bears don't get along either. They all would agree that making fish easier to catch would be a good thing though.

So having various groups that prey on smaller weaker corps agree that their prey should be easier to catch is basically meaningless. It has as much validity in that aspect as a bunch of highsec miners sitting around agreeing that bumpers should be Concorded. Consensus is pointless if the only people involved are those that directly benefit.

Conflict between corps should be driven by people having assets they think are worth defending. Using penalty mechanics to force people to get into PC corps and form larger corps and imposing massive penalties if they try and leave a corp under war is not "helping drive conflict", it's asking CCP to mechanically enforce you getting to shoot fish in a barrel. An opinion which you share with the before mentioned dolphins, sharks, and grizzly bears.