Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That would be great. I have characters that operate in high, low, and null and I care about all game issues so I'll try to join any positive discussion. I'm also fresh since I've just returned since the start of the year. :D

Thanks for your efforts in trying to make New Eden more fun for everyone.

If you would seriously stay docked to a one-man wardec that wasn't active in your system, you are far too risk-adverse. Unless of course, you are AFK in which case you should garner zero sympathy.

"Non-combatant" -- by undocking in EVE, you fully consent to PVP and the possible loss of your ship. You can look it up.

A pirate mentality is that the asteroid belts are his and thus the miners intruding upon them is intruding upon the pirate's territory. Pirates are known to disregard the laws of New Eden, hence, the technical sovereignty of the system is of no consequence.

You either build your own defenses or you hire someone to fight for you. Very rarely is anyone truly griefing you... they are trying to get you to pay or they are trying to get you to fight or get someone who can bring the fight to them.

Under no scenario should this type of emergent gameplay be squashed, which is exactly what makes balancing a wardec system so difficult in a game with so many choices. I can declare war on you simply because I don't like your ideas or what your corporation stands for... that can't go away.

At no time has EVE ever been marketed as a business or industry simulator. It isn't "Space Mining 2015" by CCP.

Is it too late to talk about the large towers?

https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98143677/

Killing them is certainly possible, though Dirty Stinky is by no means an "average corporation."

I can attest that the process is tedious. I can be done though. A dedicated and prepared group can kill any tower you can build, it's just a matter of how long it will take them. That being said there are very few groups (I only know of one, the one above) that takes out a properly setup large tower.

There's a bunch of dumb stuff about POSes generally, given that in highsec you can transfer materials to and from them in perfect safety using alts, the ability to trash everything stored in them even when they're reinforced and that it takes very little time and effort to set them up, but dozens and dozens of man hours to destroy them and that they defend themselves even when unmanned just makes them a huge pain in the ass.

I don't think they're a big issue really though. I can charge outlandish prices to blow them up after all. I'm not sure how people feel about moon availability and all that crap though.

Also social corps that cannot be wardeced are a terrible idea. It massively undermines competition between groups of players, undermines the basic stated purpose of war declarations and diminishes the accomplishment of players in real corporations who have built and maintained their collective identity in spite of conflicts with other players.

That kind of crap is one step away from toggleable PVP flags.

I think you guys have great ideas.

I'd be ok with the old rules back.

But here is what I really want:

For every PVE or money making task, I think there should be a spectrum decision. The spectrum should run from safe to very risky.

If you play on the safe side, you should be able to see the risk takers making much more isk on each side of you.

Or you can take the much more profitable shortcut that'll lead to meeting the cast of the C&P show.


I think this game should be a constant competition between greed and fear.

That's fun.

If you have "zero chance", it's your own fault.

That's what your side needs to hurry up and get into your thick skulls already. Your "industrial" corps are not supposed to exist. Defending yourself is not supposed to be optional, and there should be consequences for not recruiting any players with combat skills.

If you don't like, the NPC corps doors are always open.




Well, I sure couldn't tell. You know, what with my habit of missioning with a faction battleship during a wardec, and having never lost said ship.

If you have half a brain and 51% of an ass, you are safe during a wardec. I mean, seriously, yammering on about only being able to fly rifters? Do you live in a trade hub, or what?




And again, absolutely wrong.




According to CCP, your claim is 100% false. You know what really does make people leave the game? Getting bored chewing on rocks and shooting red crosses.




First of all, wardecs exist for only one reason.

To get rid of the loathsome presence of Concord. Wardecs exist to blow up precisely you. Your idea is hateful and unacceptable.

Secondly, absolutely nothing you can do with a wardec, under literally any circumstances, counts as "griefing". Wars are an intended mechanic, and being under a wardec is the intended state of the game for player corps.

If you don't like it, you don't belong in a player corp.

This thread sucks.

War. War never changes...

Wait.. no thats another game...

Anyhow... War... is not supposed to be a consensual edict. A declaration of war from one entity unto another does not require the approval of said other entity.

Are war decs in EVE broken? Yes. But not because of the point mentioned above. They are broken because at present, there is no penalty for dodging, and no incentive for the defenders. Not all highsec wars are based on the "clay pigeon" theory (which is true, but not relevant). I have seen carebear corps dec each other for "ownership" of mineral fields, POCOS or moons...

What confuses me the most about the topic is that the belief, as a member of a carebear corp, that you have no options. This is wholly untrue. I present you:


Step one: Join a corp as a new player. Make sure the CEO of that corp is a loudmouth self-important type.
Step two: Have that CEO come to C&P and **** off Vimsy, talking about how regret this and yada yada that....
Step 3: After you get blapped in some of the absolute most tear inducing fits you can muster up, MOVE TO LOWSEC and learn how to PVP.

Why? Why move? Well because MOST merc corps are too invested in their killboards to risk venturing out of highsec. Make friends. Join FW. Come to terms with the fact that losing ships is part of EVE, and can even be FUN. Of course, some will. But they arent just fighting you out there. If your mission running op gets probed down (you are an idiot) by the war deccers, do you think they are bringing T3 bling? Not if they are smart. Why? Because other interested parties would MUCH rather blap a few Legions or Prots than a Moa running level 3's.

Other options would be to join up with others who share your outlook of the game. Who dont wish to fight, but CAN if able. With enough numbers (and some falcon pilots), you can operate in relative safety safety in lowsec.... mining, running missions, whatever your taste may be.

The point is, that in order to function, you need friends. Those friends provide you security. They provide content. And FUN. Dont expect the majority of the game to be forced to change because YOU want to mine in peace. Its EVE. Its not suppose to be that way.

I'd legitimately rather fight triage carriers than a defended large POS.

Except in order to not be broken social corps would have no tax break (just like an NPC corp), so you would still see 1 man tax shelter corps.

I don't see what advantage social corps would have that cannot be provided by chat channels and such. Anything that they would provide beyond that would seriously undermine actual corporations.

NPC corps are a necessary evil (you need somewhere to go when you get kicked from corp) which I think are still too good (I think taxes should be higher).

So I would not be in favor of 'social' corps only if NPC corps received significant nerfs and the social corps ended up being a stepping stone into real corps, and pretty much nothing else.

The problem has never been with hi-sec or corporation mechanics.

The problem is risk averse hi-sec "leet PvPers", "gankers", and "merc corps" who can't seem to find content in low or null sec, so they pick on players who would rather just be left alone. They want PvP on their own terms instead of going out and looking for other PvPers who actually want to fight.

Nowhere in EVE is safe, we get it. Everyone gets it. But this is also the last MMO of its kind, a true sandbox. Forcing your playstyle on others via surprise buttsex PvP in hi-sec is for bored nullbears and players who can't PvP their way out of a paper bag.

The only thing broken here is you.