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[April] [Updated] Confessor and Svipul Balance Tweaks

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#561 - 2015-04-28 08:27:56 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
I noticed that as well.

I simply stripped my fit, and readd the guns. You don't need to repackage. :D
I noticed a -30 dps with the same beam fit (with a mid slot empty due to PWG nerf).
and a -24 dps to my pulse fit on which i can't put a 400mn meta4 anymore....

Which quite funny actually, cause my Beam 10MN AB seems to be more flexible to fit (with downgraded guns), than my Pulse fit leta 4 400mm plate (with 1mn MWD) and Focused Pulse....

Thanks CCP. Roll

And i forgot to mentioned that on each fit i have a Small Ancillary Current Router T2. :p
I'll need to put 2 of those... *sighs*


Can you really fit a 10MN AB with Small Beams on the Confessors?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#562 - 2015-04-28 09:01:34 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Ya know what? Go ahead and just really fix these ships. Let's reduce the PG by another 15, CPU by 10, cut that damage bonus to 25. ,and increase the mass by 15%, reduce the cap by 15% and be able to only fit two turrerts.


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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#563 - 2015-04-28 10:07:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Daniela Doran wrote:
Can you really fit a 10MN AB with Small Beams on the Confessors?


Fed nav 10mn AB yes.
Downgraded Beam (dual light beam)

[Confessor]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Dual Light Beam Laser II
[Empty High slot]
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
[Empty High slot]
Dual Light Beam Laser II

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Amyclas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#564 - 2015-04-28 12:08:10 UTC
wait what. 2 utility highs?

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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#565 - 2015-04-28 12:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
wait what. 2 utility highs?


Yes 2 utility high slots, but it's actually 1 with PWG and CPU nerf, and if you fit a Probe Launcher i don't even know if you have enough to fill the 2nd empty high slot.
Liev Dleg
Deutsche Recycling GmbH
#566 - 2015-04-28 14:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Liev Dleg
My Client is loading the patch, but for me it looks like unusual anymore.
I used the Svipul to chase and kill gankers.

Edit:
It was wrong!

The last years i said everytime: Think positive about that patch, but CCP takes away good weapons against gankes.
I will test it the next hours. I feel sad.
Nou Mene
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#567 - 2015-04-29 04:48:22 UTC
so now deff confessor is faster than svipul... CryCryCryCry
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#568 - 2015-04-29 05:41:47 UTC
Nou Mene wrote:
so now deff confessor is faster than svipul... CryCryCryCry


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Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#569 - 2015-04-29 17:01:28 UTC
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#570 - 2015-04-29 17:31:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Leonardo Adami wrote:
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.


What ?

What is giving you the feeling that they are still overpowered ?

They are ******* T3 ships guys, don't expect them to be like T1 destroyers...
They HAVE TO be feared.
They HAVE TO be a ship you'd concider more than twice engaging.

The only thing wrong in my opinion is its price.
But it won't get higher if it's getting bat-nerfed each patch. xD
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#571 - 2015-04-29 18:43:43 UTC
It's a DESTROYER. It DESTROYS. These are not 5mil talwars. You got your nerf, not my fault I can put bigger guns on now and hit further and harder than before. That was paid for in agility. And price. Which I now filter down to you, the recipient of Holy Beams of Joy.
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#572 - 2015-04-29 19:20:40 UTC
For the small price of another pg rig you get awesome tank oversized ab great dps. Sure non of the above is as overpowered as before but still they're overpowered and will remain that way until they recieve another balance pass.
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#573 - 2015-04-29 19:22:35 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.


What ?

What is giving you the feeling that they are still overpowered ?

They are ******* T3 ships guys, don't expect them to be like T1 destroyers...
They HAVE TO be feared.
They HAVE TO be a ship you'd concider more than twice engaging.

The only thing wrong in my opinion is its price.
But it won't get higher if it's getting bat-nerfed each patch. xD


Also they don't have to be anything that CCP doesn't want them to be and clearly CCP feels they were to much.
Jet Silf
Mercurial Messenger Service
#574 - 2015-04-29 19:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jet Silf
Leonardo Adami wrote:
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.


You know these are T3 ships right? They really should be better than a lot of other ships of comparable size.

I'm not seeing any combat records on zKill or BattleClinic for you, and your toon is only like 4 months old.... I'm thinking you don't really know what you are talking about here.
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#575 - 2015-04-29 19:51:32 UTC
Jet Silf wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.


You know these are T3 ships right?


You mean the new tactical destroyers the t3 ships, those known as Confessor and Svipul are t3 ships...IdeaRoll
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#576 - 2015-04-29 20:42:23 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.


What ?

What is giving you the feeling that they are still overpowered ?

They are ******* T3 ships guys, don't expect them to be like T1 destroyers...
They HAVE TO be feared.
They HAVE TO be a ship you'd concider more than twice engaging.

The only thing wrong in my opinion is its price.
But it won't get higher if it's getting bat-nerfed each patch. xD

The question is should they be? ( feared, consider more than twice engaging, etc)

'Cause if this is still the guideline for how all ships supposed to be, then t3d still need more work.
Jet Silf
Mercurial Messenger Service
#577 - 2015-04-29 21:20:35 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

'Cause if this is still the guideline for how all ships supposed to be, then t3d still need more work.


I dunno, how do you feel T3 Cruisers really fit into that chart? Cuz I feel like they are waaaaay better than Navy and Pirate Faction Cruisers and usually better than T2- except that T2 is good at certain roles (like ECM and interdiction) for cheaper.

I feel like the end result for T3Ds should be that they are as good or better for direct combat than Interdictors, but Interdictors have the bubble launcher along with less ISK/skill overhead to balance the differences. (I feel with the 10mn AB problem out of the way, the only issue I see with T3Ds is they are super easy to skill up....and at least prior to yesterday only cost 40mil.)
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#578 - 2015-04-29 21:40:45 UTC
Jet Silf wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

'Cause if this is still the guideline for how all ships supposed to be, then t3d still need more work.


I dunno, how do you feel T3 Cruisers really fit into that chart? Cuz I feel like they are waaaaay better than Navy and Pirate Faction Cruisers and usually better than T2- except that T2 is good at certain roles (like ECM and interdiction) for cheaper.

That's because T3's have not been fully balanced yet. Barely been touched at all, really.
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#579 - 2015-04-29 21:48:58 UTC
I said it earlier and I'll say it again, I predict when all four ships are released these ships will receive another balance pass.
Jet Silf
Mercurial Messenger Service
#580 - 2015-04-29 21:53:11 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I said it earlier and I'll say it again, I predict when all four ships are released these ships will receive another balance pass.


Right....and I don't think you can even fit a Merlin properly, so I don't know or care what you are basing your assumptions on.