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Nyx measurements/Drawings.

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Triton T10
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-27 07:58:38 UTC
Hello guys o7

So I'm working on a project where I'm going to try to build a Nyx supercarrier out of matchsticks.

I have been looking for some measurements, the only measurement I can find is the length, I would love to get the width aswell. Or maybe a nice line drawing of it.


I'm making it approximately 80 cm long, but I'm struggling with the width of it.


Any tips or line drawings would be highly appreciated!

Thanks in advance

Triton T10
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-27 08:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
You could use triexporter to get the 3d model and put it in some 3d program to get the other measurements, or use a program to unfold it for paper craft and use that as a template.

I had exported a bunch of the models but I had trouble getting the nyx to work. And a few of them have changed now.Blink

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1093635&page=1#1

Sadly I never got around to doing anything beyond exporting and playing a little bit with unfolding some of the models. Never did do any paper craft.

Additionally back then Triexporter had issues I think with windows 7 but at the time I was using windows XP. Not sure if triexporter ever got updated since then.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-04-27 08:50:51 UTC
Did some googling and found this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41753.

Might work for getting measurements.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-04-27 08:58:13 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Did some googling and found this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41753.

Might work for getting measurements.
You sure are smart. Yeah, good taste in shirts, hair-dos and corps, but that aside; you sure are smart. Blink

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-27 09:06:44 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Did some googling and found this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41753.

Might work for getting measurements.
You sure are smart. Yeah, good taste in shirts, hair-dos and corps, but that aside; you sure are smart. Blink


Hey there Brother from another mother. Thank you I guess. But I learned all that stuff from other eve players and their forum posts. Blink
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures
#6 - 2015-04-27 11:17:48 UTC
Are you planning on posting pictures of your progress somewhere? I'd be interested in checking it out.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-04-27 13:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
I downloaded that thingiverse file. Then I used an online tool to convert it to .3ds and .obj, and another tool I downloaded to get a .dxf (For AutoCAD).

Here: http://eve-files.com/dl/273511

I opened the .dxf then copied the model twice and moved the copies to get them in a layout like so: http://eve-files.com/dl/273512

But I am self taught on the 3d stuff for AutoCAD and Forgot most of it since I modeled my pulse jet engine design.

I did figure out how to flatten that 3 view layout though, But the front view was upside down. I have to flatten it again from what I have in that screen shot. Then I can remove all the wire frame lines using trim so that all that is left is an outline. Then measurements could be taken using the dimension tool. I kind of gave up, AutoCAD is giving me a head ache and Ive been up all night. Big smile

Edit: Although to get good measurements I'll have to figure out what the file is setup for and maybe re-size them so the length matches the in game measurement except maybe scaled down to 1 cm for every meter or something.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-27 13:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Edit: Although to get good measurements I'll have to figure out what the file is setup for and maybe re-size them so the length matches the in game measurement except maybe scaled down to 1 cm for every meter or something.

The OP is working at a length of 80cm. Make the model length 80 units and take measurements from that.

It's only 'approximate' anyway, so you don't need to get too precise about it.
Triton T10
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-27 18:07:27 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
I downloaded that thingiverse file. Then I used an online tool to convert it to .3ds and .obj, and another tool I downloaded to get a .dxf (For AutoCAD).

Here: http://eve-files.com/dl/273511

I opened the .dxf then copied the model twice and moved the copies to get them in a layout like so: http://eve-files.com/dl/273512

But I am self taught on the 3d stuff for AutoCAD and Forgot most of it since I modeled my pulse jet engine design.

I did figure out how to flatten that 3 view layout though, But the front view was upside down. I have to flatten it again from what I have in that screen shot. Then I can remove all the wire frame lines using trim so that all that is left is an outline. Then measurements could be taken using the dimension tool. I kind of gave up, AutoCAD is giving me a head ache and Ive been up all night. Big smile

Edit: Although to get good measurements I'll have to figure out what the file is setup for and maybe re-size them so the length matches the in game measurement except maybe scaled down to 1 cm for every meter or something.





Thanks alot for your help! that looks great.
Now i just need to figure out how to make those, or if your intrested in making the line drawings for me ? ;)

I wanted it to be around 80 cm long, that is a rough figure. then i will print the drawings in 1:1 paper, and then measure everything straight from the paper. It would be awesome if you could make them for me! I just want to get started building the thing ;)




Yazzinra wrote:
Are you planning on posting pictures of your progress somewhere? I'd be interested in checking it out.




I was actually planning on time lapsing the build, and then upload on youtube.
I need to make a channel n stuff, so ill post the channel name tomorrow :)
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-27 20:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Triton T10 wrote:


Thanks alot for your help! that looks great.
Now i just need to figure out how to make those, or if your intrested in making the line drawings for me ? ;)

I wanted it to be around 80 cm long, that is a rough figure. then i will print the drawings in 1:1 paper, and then measure everything straight from the paper. It would be awesome if you could make them for me! I just want to get started building the thing ;)

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I can try. The method I was talking about will only get you silhouettes though.

Edit:

With some frustration and web searching I figured out how to scale the drawing so that the nyx length is 80 and in CM. It was in inches and it was like ~3.236 and after I scaled it the first time it ended up being 81.33 then I figured out how to do the small adjustment and got it to 80.

Progress

This might take a while. And I am now taking a break from it but that is where I am so far. You can imagine how many damn lines there are as they are almost solid white at that zoom lvl. I can just delete most of them and trim only where there are intersections that are weird.
Triton T10
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-28 04:02:46 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Triton T10 wrote:


Thanks alot for your help! that looks great.
Now i just need to figure out how to make those, or if your intrested in making the line drawings for me ? ;)

I wanted it to be around 80 cm long, that is a rough figure. then i will print the drawings in 1:1 paper, and then measure everything straight from the paper. It would be awesome if you could make them for me! I just want to get started building the thing ;)

[


I can try. The method I was talking about will only get you silhouettes though.

Edit:

With some frustration and web searching I figured out how to scale the drawing so that the nyx length is 80 and in CM. It was in inches and it was like ~3.236 and after I scaled it the first time it ended up being 81.33 then I figured out how to do the small adjustment and got it to 80.

Progress

This might take a while. And I am now taking a break from it but that is where I am so far. You can imagine how many damn lines there are as they are almost solid white at that zoom lvl. I can just delete most of them and trim only where there are intersections that are weird.



That is nice looking! But damn, that looks like painstaking work :/

I just saw this video - https://youtu.be/J6kUSU7oBMQ - at around 7 min he puts a orca model in cinema and gets a nice wier fame, now I dunno if the Nyx is different or if that is possible while keeping the length. Might be worth a shot :)

Again thanks for all your help, it is much appreciated :)
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-04-28 09:43:28 UTC
Ok OP, I've got something for you.

I've taken the Nyx model and rendered orthographic views from the Top, Bottom, Side, Front, and Rear.
Then I've overlaid them on an 80x80 grid (varied), where we can basically say the 1 square = 1 cm2

I haven't got measurements, but I can grab them for you in just a tick.

Top:
http://i.imgur.com/1mgFN0s.jpg

Bottom:
http://i.imgur.com/JKBUWoj.png

Side:
http://i.imgur.com/FB58zUJ.png

Front (sorry about the black bit):
http://i.imgur.com/w5694ST.png

Rear:
http://i.imgur.com/MYsb6RH.png



*The Top and Bottom views have an 80x80 grid, the Side view has a 30x80 grid, and the Front and Rear have a 80x30 grid.
But everything should be to scale with about ~1mm.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-28 09:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Yeah triexporter is a load of fun. And he seems to be getting it to work ok in windows 7.

BTW, I should of did this earlier, but I just did the width and height dimensions. So for 80 cm length you get a width of 41.5490 cm and a height of 9.2442 cm. Crazy Autocad being precise as ****.

So that kind of answers part of your question. Still working on the file.

I Remembered something about slicing a 3d model so I have been trying to figure that out. I downloaded sketchup and a plugin for it for slicing but the slicing plugin is for sketchup 6 and I downloaded the newest version 2015. Trying to figure it out but scaling is a crap shoot because It is clunky as hell.

Edit:

Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Ok OP, I've got something for you.


NiceAttention. Way better than what I was doing. Use these. Now I don't have to finish =).

Another Edit:

Here this is how far I got. http://eve-files.com/dl/273523
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-04-28 10:24:16 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
BTW, I should of did this earlier, but I just did the width and height dimensions. So for 80 cm length you get a width of 41.5490 cm and a height of 9.2442 cm. Crazy Autocad being precise as ****.

I have to ask, Tuttomenui, I wanted to use AutoCAD a little while ago to build a model that I was going to build.

GoogleSketchup's easier, but AutoCAD is unmatched in its purpose.

However, I struck a problem which simply made it impossible for me to use the program. When you draw rectangles, lines, arcs, circles, etc, I'm pretty sure there's meant to be a field in which you can type exact dimensions.
Like, a field right beside your mouse pointer.

I couldn't get that field to appear?

I have AutoCAD 2015, and I've never really used it before, so is there an option to toggle it or something?
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-28 11:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
BTW, I should of did this earlier, but I just did the width and height dimensions. So for 80 cm length you get a width of 41.5490 cm and a height of 9.2442 cm. Crazy Autocad being precise as ****.

I have to ask, Tuttomenui, I wanted to use AutoCAD a little while ago to build a model that I was going to build.

GoogleSketchup's easier, but AutoCAD is unmatched in its purpose.

However, I struck a problem which simply made it impossible for me to use the program. When you draw rectangles, lines, arcs, circles, etc, I'm pretty sure there's meant to be a field in which you can type exact dimensions.
Like, a field right beside your mouse pointer.

I couldn't get that field to appear?

I have AutoCAD 2015, and I've never really used it before, so is there an option to toggle it or something?


AutoCAD uses commands you can use the tool bars at the sides to bypass commands using the mouse. But you can do everything with commands given you know them.

The command line is at the bottom, and when your drawing a circle, you can use the mouse to select circle from the tool bar, then you click where the center would be then you type what the radius should be. That is what I like about autocad you can draw to measurements. But it is really complicated to do 3d stuff and even more so for complex stuff. Also you don't have to select the command line anytime you type it goes in there.

I took drafting twice in highschool cause it was so fun, and thats where I learned to use AutoCAD but I never got into the 3d stuff. But after I graduated I bought some books for AutoCAD 2000.

I got 3 books all by the same place one was THIS .

Dug the other 2 out from their hiding places. THIS one, and THIS 3D modeling one.

When I was modeling my pulse jet engine design I used the 3d one and was teaching learning as I went. Lay on the couch on my back, with my crummy inspiron 8100 laptop on my chest, with a riggid mouse pad stuck part way under a cushion to my side.

Edit:

Here is a screen shot of a 3d model I drew in autocad then exported to solid works and converted then imported into the Unreal Dev kit back when I was playing around with that.

If you like here are some ships I made while I was messing around with the unreal thing. Drew these in Autocad then exported them as .3ds files. I release them here as free open source models =).

You might also find this interesting. When I model stuff some things need to be made in parts then combined because of complexity. So I would keep copies of my steps within the working file as a redundancy. Used the same method with my pulse jet engine, which I am not linking images to because reasons Big smile.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-28 15:37:00 UTC
I got the Nyx slices finally. I ended up finding Autodesk 123d Make. Now there's a proper tool that's intuitive, it also lets you re-size the model easily. Sketchup is for the dogs.

http://eve-files.com/dl/273531

For the assembly steps you will need to get the 123dmake I included the .3dmk file, slices are in pdf format setup for 8.5x11 paper. Spacing is 0.1772 so printing t on paper is for templates to hand cut card board.

This should also work great as a template for the match stick build as well.
Triton T10
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-29 05:14:13 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Ok OP, I've got something for you.

I've taken the Nyx model and rendered orthographic views from the Top, Bottom, Side, Front, and Rear.
Then I've overlaid them on an 80x80 grid (varied), where we can basically say the 1 square = 1 cm2

I haven't got measurements, but I can grab them for you in just a tick.

Top:
http://i.imgur.com/1mgFN0s.jpg

Bottom:
http://i.imgur.com/JKBUWoj.png

Side:
http://i.imgur.com/FB58zUJ.png

Front (sorry about the black bit):
http://i.imgur.com/w5694ST.png

Rear:
http://i.imgur.com/MYsb6RH.png



*The Top and Bottom views have an 80x80 grid, the Side view has a 30x80 grid, and the Front and Rear have a 80x30 grid.
But everything should be to scale with about ~1mm.



Now that looks great! Should be quite easy to get all the needed measurements from those! Now I just need to order the print so I have 1:1 drawings.
Thanks alot for your help!

Tuttomenui II wrote:
Nice. Way better than what I was doing. Use these. Now I don't have to finish =)


Yeah :p sorry you did that for nothing, but thanks for the help anyway.



I would like to credit you guys in the video for the help provided with drawings and helpful info, if that's cool?

And my channel will be ready tonight, so I'll post the name as soon as it's done :)
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-04-29 05:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Just updating with a very high resolution image of the top view, in case you need more detail.
http://i.imgur.com/dmMPDyO.jpg

Thanks Tuttomenui, that was quite interesting.
I was thinking of drafting in SketchUp and then remodelling it in AutoCAD for more accuracy.

I suppose I'll probably have to delve into some tutorials before I can solve my problem, I'll get to that some day.

Edit: fine by me also.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-04-29 06:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Triton T10 wrote:

I would like to credit you guys in the video for the help provided with drawings and helpful info, if that's cool?

And my channel will be ready tonight, so I'll post the name as soon as it's done :)


Fine by me.




Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Just updating with a very high resolution image of the top view, in case you need more detail.
http://i.imgur.com/dmMPDyO.jpg

Thanks Tuttomenui, that was quite interesting.
I was thinking of drafting in SketchUp and then remodelling it in AutoCAD for more accuracy.

I suppose I'll probably have to delve into some tutorials before I can solve my problem, I'll get to that some day.


When I was playing around and having to search stuff to remember how to do something or how to do something I never knew I ran across a site that was pretty much the same content as the books I have. So finding resources on how to use autocad is fairly easy.

Edit: looking through my history I found it.
http://www.mycadsite.com/tutorials/

Similar text book type format as my books but updated information for newer versions.

Go get your Autodidact on.Big smile
Triton T10
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-29 07:35:46 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Just updating with a very high resolution image of the top view, in case you need more detail.
http://i.imgur.com/dmMPDyO.jpg

Thanks Tuttomenui, that was quite interesting.
I was thinking of drafting in SketchUp and then remodelling it in AutoCAD for more accuracy.

I suppose I'll probably have to delve into some tutorials before I can solve my problem, I'll get to that some day.

Edit: fine by me also.



Great!

Yeah the more detail the better it is :) im printing all of the images in 1:1 so I can get good measurements of every part of the ship, and I'll have the 3D view in eve online :)


Once agai, thanks for the help! That saved me alot of tutorials and time :p
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