Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dude, maybe then you should stop commenting.



Wow...the irony, it is killing me.

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Oh, and I don't know if this is your main or not, but if it is...I probably have more time in HS than you do.

EDIT: gotit

Did battleship really need a cost increase tho?

Just curious when you say net supply/demand being positive do you mean that there is an excess supply--i.e. more on the market than is being bought?

More or less ya, it seems that the consumers of the bulk low ends (capital/supercapital producers) have begun pulling buy orders, supply is also likely up as folks are trying to dump their stocks before the market for low ends implodes on itself, since the majority of low end miners just dump their **** into the buy orders, filthy casuals tanking the market faster than any NS cartel ever could...hear that Dinsdale.

Highends still seem to be under represented though on the whole. Which is probably because folks in NS are collectively sitting on their hands waiting for the changes to process.

It should be good couple months for the asset junkies to stock up on cheaper stuff, before the market balances back out and production becomes more expensive though, especially on the lower end. (probably won't see the price effectively rise until mid june/july depending on what Sov changes Fozzie has in store for us.)

Ahhh....1800...awesome did not know that. Duh.

Was just thinking having a nice longer history would be nice. Thanks.

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Just looked at the 5 year history of pyerite and I have to say, the market for pyerite seems rather unperturbed by the proposed changes. Back in 2013 there was quite a stretch where pyerite prices were well under 12 ISK (sell order price). And there does not seem to be a sudden drop in pyerite prices in the last 60 days. There has been a slight decrease in price, but we are talking from a sell order price high of 12.83 to 12.1. That is is well above where it was in 2013.

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Just looked at trit prices as well and saw nothing shocking there either. Yes trit is trending down, but has been for quite sometime. This change seems to have had little impact on low ends at this point. And if it were we'd probably have seen it already. Markets and market participants are forward looking in nature. In RL take a gasoline refinery off line unexpectedly and prices at the pump go up. Why? Because everyone knows supply just became tighter and the gasoline in the tanks at the station became just that much more valuable...so prices rise. Almost immediately.

We aren't seeing that with tritanium or pyerite. Could it be "its just a game"? Maybe, but when we look at zydrine and megacyte we see market patterns that fit with actual markets...so I'm doubtful on this one.

In terms of prices for low ends, not much may happen...what may happen is where it is bought and sold...instead of Jita 4-4 it will be more distributed around null...and IMO that is a good thing. I get that those players who just never want to set foot in null may be negatively impacted, but you had a good run...might be time to look at a new career in New Eden.

No major price moves will happen until either the demand shifts from Highsec to Null, or till the newly-generated supply in Nullsec starts to leave the one in HS high and dry, or both. Such fundamental changes happen gradually and can not be forced by the market due the nature of these very resources.

A 14% drop in the price of Mexallon since Feb is a notable start.

As it stands right now, smart people are disposing of liabilities, i.e. capital ships, lowend mineral stocks etc. I myself have quite a few Lowends locked in SKINed Battleship hulls right now.

I'm not totally convinced we'll see a price move even then. After all trit is the same no matter where you are. Of course we have a global market right now in game with a big chunk of it moving through Jita 4-4 and Amarr...if the market becomes more distributed and less transportation costs...v0v.

At any rate, I'm very curious to see how things play out.

My guess is we have yet to see the price of zydrine hit its peak. Same for megacyte.

For entry level production and mid skilled production this won't be the case though. Market availability for the High Ends is going to be diminished, the severity of course depends on how much folks take to NS production revamps. either way it is bad for entry level producers and guys who can't roll costs into T2 production. For folks who are already invested into production (skill wise/BP research wise) it won't be as big an issue.

CCP seems to be taking with one hand and giving with the other. For folks coming into the game production is being pushed a little more out of their reach, same applies to folks already in game looking for something to do.

I mean for me this is all gravy, and on a personal level I can't complain really either way. But as a fan of EVE and its many professions, this is going to impact folks new to production (all be it existing players will have the capital to support this, despite having lacking skills I am sure.)

Give a few examples with Blueprint Bill of Materials and we will see whether that is the case.

Yes, overnight costs on products involving Zydr & Megacyte on April 28th will go up, but over time the net will either stay the same or even decrease due to lowends returning to their historical mean prices.