Crime & Punishment

"Hey, would you guys be interested in a long-term ally relationship if we provide a modest retainer and give you other benefits, such as discounts on various things we produce, and intel on our industrial competitors in the area?"

Obviously you search for someone reliable before trying this instead of just choosing a random person in local, but that's literally all it takes.


The wars in which your group of 30 is being attacked by a group of 300 amount to nothing more than the inability to access the main trade hubs without alts. These are blanket declarations, and the people putting them out aren't targeting you individually. It's small groups like mine (less than five active players) that you have to worry about actually hunting you. But hey, it's just five of us, and thirty of you. You should have no problem putting us in our place, right? Hypothetically speaking.


Once again, this never happens. No one is going to bring in hundreds of players (there's only a few hundred high-sec warriors to begin this - it's a very small community) to solely focus on the forty guys in your corporation. Unless, of course, you choose to live in a hub, or very close to one. Maybe Dodixie isn't a great place to set up your base of operations?

The point is, hundreds of mean griefers showing up isn't an issue, never has been, and never will be. Now, one or two might show up, sure; but if you can't deal with one or two players showing up for some Retriever kill lulz while outnumbering them 20:1, then you don't deserve to run your own hundred-man industrial corporation. Once again, you should be more worried about the smaller groups of dedicated hunters, like myself. But even then, you still outnumber us ten to one. Do the math.


That's not how it works at all. If a high-sec warrior finds the golden goose of industrial war targets, he's not going to want to share it with anyone. The only way you can force yourself into getting swarmed is by running your mouth in local telling your enemies about how MLG PRO you are.


So you want to be able to run your mouth off to people, negatively affect them in various ways (such as interfering with them in space or on the market), hoard moons and other critical resources, and then also make them pay absurd amounts of money when they try to do something about it?

There's also little financial consequence to re-rolling a corporation. Only two million ISK in fact. You're willing to create a system in which it costs someone hundreds of millions to start a war with you, which you can nullify within fifteen minutes by starting a new corporation and moving all of your members to it (without any delay due to recent changes, might I add)?

Are you willing to address this imbalance as well, or do you only want war prices to be raised?


Does that "own way" involve being left alone to do your thing, which is mainly impacting others in an economic fashion, without yourself being impacted by others? Why should this be the case in EVE? "Me want" isn't a good answer to give here; you'll need to be specific and logical, and tell us exactly why we should remove conflict from a game about conflict.

Oh, and, "because it's a fun part of the game that exists for a reason." Good enough for you?


It's okay, we're familiar with this clever little tactic as well. Wouldn't want all those potential customers reading about the mean griefer sociopaths in GD, would we now?


Post from it and say that "alexclone1" is your alt. Problem would be solved.


Let's be realistic, none of that will ever happen, aside maybe from the very last thing. In fact, CCP's probably going to do the exact opposite of what you proposed.

My personal estimate of awox removal in 2015 was almost right on the nose. I've said in the past that I expect them to neuter wars by late 2015 or early/middle 2016, and I'm sticking with that.

I'm expecting a toggle.

If they want to kill their own game, that's fine with me. They've got the data themselves, conflict is what makes people stay in EVE Online. If they want to ignore the mandate granted by that data and turn this game into Trammel, they can be my guest, and I'll happily watch them die.

Corporations tend to bury their heads in the sand while chasing the little short-term profit bunnies. Would we have had the changes we've had over the past few years if CCP wasn't trying to turn this game into something at least slightly different from what was originally envisioned?

The banner ad for Tiamat was "Take control of friendly fire!" How big of a clue do we need before we come to terms with the reality of the situation?

And then they discovered that the boring, banality incarnate PvE "content" doesn't actually make people stick around and keep paying for their sub. Turns out, it just bores them to death, while people who are engaged in conflict are far more likely to stick around.

Whoops.




Citation needed, nevermind I'd love some proof that, if true, it's not a really bad thing. The typical highsec corp is poison, and anything that enables them to ruin more newbies is a bad thing.

Whoosh.

You missed the point of their statement entirely. They earn being safe, by actually doing things, by watching local, by being aligned, by actually evading other players.

Not by abusing loopholes in the corp creation system.




Gosh, I hope so. There is nothing worse for the game than the stagnation and stifling on conflict that highsec creates.




Maybe not boring people to death? Maybe incentivize some form of gameplay besides the very worst PvE "content" in the entire MMO industry?

To add to this if you have 6 active wardecs against you at once your lads are either pissing ppl off or consistently losing shiny stuff.

Adapt to it or die. Delete the weak - Tora Bushido

No, just a poorly rationalized change that enables it entirely too much.

It was already enabled for the most part by going unnoticed and not recruiting.

I do. Not much changed in EVE throughout those years, save for regular minor addition of content (this was post-wormholes), balancing of ships and modules, and a constant stream of safety-oriented changes toward EVE's core gameplay. Only now do we have non-safety-related changes that are also shaking things up, mostly in the form of the jump drive and sovereignty stuff. EVE was becoming safer, and stopped growing. I firmly believe that there's a direct relationship of causation between the two.