Crime & Punishment

Thread's not gonna live long if you keep blowing up every time you take the bait man

Having a long employment history isn't a bad thing.

No, they are hate-baiting you into responses so you slowly go nuts.

I suggest stopping, because you can not possibly handle so many people at once.

Constantly reading and replying.
Reading and replying.
And time pressure, of course.
More reading.
More replies.


The brain isn't made for that.


I certainly will abandon this thread now ...
... because I can't possibly support these selfish haters.


Too bad for the thread, it went into the right direction.

Imagine a world, where only the highest SP toon on a subscribed account could post on the EvE-O forums. Wouldn't fix everything, but...

But wouldn't fix anything at all. First off, many people have multiple accounts. I could just post with the account iike most, still hiding my main.

Or say I was a major Indy player. I want to try PvP and buy a character with more skill points. I would be forced to use the new character.

Or heck, I could alternate training on two characters and who I post as on the forums would change each week.

[quote=alexclone1]

Here is my tldr: A pvp alliance can war dec just about everyone, at once, for an unlimited amount of time because the costs are so low. Raise the costs.

Welcome back to the sandbox. As someone who has been a defender and now an aggressor in highsec wars, I can relate to both sides of the argument.

I have a lot to say on the matter but unfortunately I got to go. I do have a question though.

Why were you wardeced? Who were you wardeced by? And did you talk to them about surrender?

I've seen wars last less than 15 minutes because the corp contacted said mercs and worked out a deal. I am not saying bend over and take it while handing over all your ISK but you would be surprised how fair some of the merc alliance CEOs are.

Don't talk ****, just convo them and plea you case. In a game centered around politics and social interaction, people forget to simply talk things over.

Ding.

Calling the OP an unmitigated liar, as anybody that is too gutless to post with their main has obviously done nothing of note.

Also, OP, wardecs ARE broken. The reason the mercs have all formed large (relatively) alliances (Marmite, Forsaken, etc) is that the wardec costs are so hi now, small merc/pirate corps simpy aren't viable.

And it doesn't help that dec evasion is now blessed by CCP , instead of being a bannable offense, like it used to be.

So have CCP raise wardec prices again. Watch even more hisec pvpers jump into the large merc alliances.

Also, OP, what stopped your no-doubt highly profitable mining/indy corp from hiring a big merc alliance to defend you, eh?

Hmmm?

Ally mechanics mean they don't have to do an outbound wardec, and its usually cheaper to hire them as allies, last time I checked.

...........

Yeah, that's what I thought.

You shouldn't think about it in terms of buffs and nerfs. You should think about it in terms of making highsec not suck **** for everyone involved. The current situation with massive, extremely powerful wardec entities and other groups just being totally defenseless and incredibly passive isn't fun for anyone.

It's not fun for the carebears who feel like they can't win a fight because numbers, it's not fun for the aggressors who don't get a fight and it's not fun for the random person flying through space who doesn't see any interesting things happening in the space he's passing through.

What we should all want as players is for the mechanics to be good, not for them to benefit our personal playstyle. Right now the ally system massively benefits me and people like me, but it's hugely damaging to the general accessibility of wars to the general populace, subsequently I think it needs to be changed. Reducing the cost of wars, specifically for corporations against other corporations (vice against or between alliances) wouldn't benefit me at all, but it would allow for smaller groups to exist again and subsequently give carebears a better chance to effectively defend themselves.

The carebear approach to proposing war changes is inherently to make them more expensive and more difficult to execute, that will only widen the gap between the aggressors and defenders and make the current issues more extreme.

My thoughts on the matter are as follows:

First, severe nerfs to NPC corps. Only player corps should be capable of using L4 mission agents and receive LP from Incursions, and NPC corp players older than 90 days have an additional 10% tax on top of normal.

If being in a player corp is the optimal choice for generating personal income, then being in a corp becomes something worth fighting for. That will never happen so long as NPC corps have so few functional penalties/limitations. Doing this also takes a step towards rebalancing risk vs reward, since NPC corps give up almost nothing in exchange for a huge buff to safety.

Secondly, the dec dodge exploit must be either removed or harshly punished. There are a number of ways this can be done, and I personally favor the generation of killrights against a player who drops to an NPC corp during an active war(or anyone who rejoins a player corp within 72 hours after having dropped, perhaps). Regardless, the ability to fold a corp and make it over again in a matter of minutes must be removed. Therefore, corp creation price should increase, and possibly have a cooldown associated with specific characters creating a corporation after having left one. Furthermore, any corp that dissolves during an active war has it's name and corp ticker suspended, and given to the attacking corp as a trophy.

Thirdly, player corps would receive the ability to improve mission LP rewards in a specific consellation via a starbase module. Only one can exist per constellation, so if you want the bonus you have to destroy the starbase of the current owner. The map would show which corp controlls the module, and what system it is located in. This incentivizes PvE corps to fight amongst themselves for better territory, as well as give player corps reasons to have assets in space for reasons besides industry and manufacturing.

To summarize:

Only player corps can access L4 missions or receive LP from incursions.
NPC corp taxes are raised +10% for players over 90 days old.
Killrights generated against dec dodging.
Corps that dissolve during an active war have their names and ticker lost, given to the attacker as a trophy.
Corp creation price increase.
Corp creation cooldown after leaving a player corp.
Highsec ESS as a starbase module, one per constellation. Boosts LP given from mission rewards to corp members.

And then, player corps are worth fighting for. The defender has a stake in the game, the rewards that come with being in a player corp. The typical highsec corps also have a reason to fight one another, for control of the constellation.

Uh oh. DC vs LK Let's get it on!