Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They overshot with the initial concept and overbuffed them, hence they are being fixed now.

You may follow dark man Skord's example and biomass, if it hurts you so.



We can all agree that the new T3Ds are indeed very fun, whatever the base stats.

get ready for disappointment

They mentioned this in the original post on the Tactical Destroyers when they introduced the Confessor.



Given this and the recent changes the answer seems to be that they want these to be competitive with, rather than dominant over, the various T2 frigate options available currently and if they can't manage that or they're too good at this specifically then their access will be restricted.

Then perhaps it might help if you thought of the T3 Destroyers as T3 Frigates that simply share enough base stats with Destroyers that they gained the class name. It's basically how they function, with the option to gain a Frigate's speed, a Cruiser's Tank, or something between Frigate and Cruiser damage projection.

In terms of Eve these don't bear particularly much resemblance to other Destroyer hulls whether specialized or not. They're simply called Destroyers because they borrow their base stats, like sig radius, skill requirements, gun layout (roughly), and general base characteristics with a Destroyer. However the Tactical Modes completely alter them away from this Destroyer base model and push them into direct competition with T2 Frigates in almost every role and situation, which means they need to be competitive with them rather than hard-countering them like you seem to be suggesting they should.

As to CCP and their unenviable task "Any decision or change you make to a game will anger some portion of the player-base, including the decision to change nothing." -Game Design truism.

After reviewing fittings on the current iteration of changes, I really think the tactical destroyer skill level "heat damage reduction bonus" should be reduced to 2-3% per level to compensate for the reduced amount of turret slots (which entails a longer duration of OH).
Alternatively, one high slot could be removed from the svipul and confessor and the PG further reduced by 3-4 PG.

Otherwise, they will still be too OP IMO.

dictors are also completely overshadowed by the d3's. they should be better at the kiting and projection thingy. dictors should behave like hacs and t3 dessies should behave like t3 cruiser when it comes to kiting. if things stay that way eve pvp will become much more boring an onedimensional . not good.

On the one hand, it is insanely overpowered, but on the other, you're able to kill a lot of them. Would you mind telling us about the even-more-insanely-overpowered ships you used to kill the insanely overpowered tactical destroyers?



When you were flying around in your 1MN MWD Svipul, did you happen to notice a significant reduction in your speed when you were in sharpshooter or defense mode? Did you happen to notice a significant reduction in your dps projection when you were in propulsion or defense mode? And, did you happen to notice a significant reduction in your tank when in sharpshooter or propulsion mode?

you people have no idea of balance or of what makes a game fun. It's like watching toddlers playing soccer.

Well to start, good job not finishing my own quote, and leaving off the part that had the context to the rest of what you quoted. Real FOX news quality stuff there. Let me help you with that.



They were killed by BC's or BS, because i could fit the necessary tackle to hold one/neut them/ and then destroy them without sacrificing my entire tank to do that. Which is something frigates and some cruisers cannot afford to do.

The whole reason why t3d's are OP, and to my point, is that it obsoleted an entire class of ship. Especially the svipul compared to minny AF. The jag and wolf are not as fast, not as tanky, and don't do as much dps as the svipul. The ONLY thing they have is cost, and signature, but this is a fairly minor positive.



Nope. Because I'm actually experienced in flying minmatar (unlike you), I can leave it in prop mode the entire time, project more dps than an arty wolf, move faster than a crow, and retain 20% tracking w/ high base optimal. The base EHP values + MASB still make it comparable or better than a jag/wolf.

Since you are less experienced, i'll let you in on a secret. Titanium sabot (Or Carbonized lead i think) ammo. Gives me 20% bonus to tracking, and no optimal penalty. My svipul had a 27km optimal + another 15km in fall-off. I could easily shoot out 40-50km and project 190dps. I could outrun crows and other inties w/o issue, normally volleying them. I was able to easily chase down garmurs and gun them down by going 3.5km/s cold, and about 5km/s with heat. This is without links.

On top of that speed, i was able to fit a MASB as tank. Very rarely did i use it, because it was not common to even get hit. Which is more tank than the arty wolf, and about the same as arty jag. Using titanium sabot allowed me to do about 190 dps, the wolf using short range, high damage ammo does about 212 dps. To get the same projection as the svipul means it only does about 142dps. Just for reference, with short range ammo, the svipul did 290dps, and could project it well, out to about 25km.

So yes, the Svipul is better in every way that matters when compared to their AF counterparts, they are OP against an entire class of ships, effectively obsoleting them. 2/10 for spin effort though, needs more spin.

Both are a non-issue on the Svipul as you fofofofo in Prop all day long.

I still see the bonus amounts being reviewed before long, as they are insanely exaggerated.