Player Features and Ideas Discussion

After thinking about it for a little while, what's the point of limiting neural remaps to once a year???

What's the point in limiting neural remaps at all??

Why not make it an isk dump instead.

Not player controlled, but you have to be at a station with a medical facility in order to pay to remap.

Make it a reasonable price so that it's available to most players, but not like clone cheap....Maybe 100mil per remap

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There is no difference in a players remapping, training a years worth of skills affected possitively by that remap, then remapping again and training another group of skills related to that remap.

If they allowed you to remap whenever at a cost of isk, you would still be training all those skills at the same speed, you would just be able to mix and match how you trained the skills.

So if you need to traing up some missile skills, remap and train them, and if you plan to follow up with some shield skills you can remap again and train those skills the same year... Hell, maybe even the same week.

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This would be more orderly for the players... Allowing us to train the skills that we need to train during a remap instead of a schlew of skills we may not need, but are just training just cause we're remapped in that manner.....

It would be more beneficial to the players, expecially the newer players, and it being allowed at a fairly reasonable price allows it to be balanced for all players, but not super easily achieved, and still a somewhat costly change.


It also creates and isk dump, which is one of the things that CCP has been needing to add.....

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DO NOT EVER MAKE NEURAL REMAPS PURCHASABLE FOR REAL MONEY!!!! IT'S UNFAIR TO US POOR PPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When i first started playing i had NFI what a remap was, so i tried it once, did it, then thought 'yay' then remapped it back. 12 months later i could remap properly o.0

Idea is a good one, even though it borders on 'ISK for SP'.

I do like your suggestion but to make it easy for newbies, i would say increase the cost of the remap linearly with total SPs you have, making it cheap for newbies, expensive for older players.

why?



CCP over years has finally levelled the traning field, why would they break all that work.


First there was bloodline based stats. Rolled combat, nerfed egghead stats points

Then came generic stats with learning skills. Noob whined well bitter vets have learning 5's, bittervets said stfu, you have more stat points than I do since ccp didn't reset stat points for this change.

then ccp said, fine.....no more learning skills, full stats reset and everyone the same. Want more, pick your implants. +3 to +5.


This progress shows clearly ccp want equal trains for all. this price structure in mind would break that trend, not happening.

well that and older players already pay too much for their sp's with med clone costs. Penalized enough as is. More frequent remaps just make those clones more expensive faster...means they pay extra money anyway, jsut in a different way.

no...
racial changes was because certain races were better then others because of the stats.
learning skills were stupid in general, a newbie would be told " oh yea train learning skills, it will take about a month but then u can train for that frigate u get from tutorial mission"...



i like this idea for a few reasons
Isk dump
remaps only knock off a few weeks per year of training.
isk dump.

100 mil isnt much, but still newbs start with 2 remaps, and maybe every year u get a free one but other then that why not.

Not correct. Rich players can buy characters and can buy plexes to sell to get them any ship in the game once they've trained the skills.

Right now I'm working on affording a golem with a pithum a-type medium shield booster. If I were wealthy or rich I'd already have one thanks to plexes.



I think that's probably the way it worked out for most new players. We've all waisted at least one remap.

Now, as far as your idea. It's really not gonna make it fair to make it cheaper for noobs. The reason why is because most of us older players weren't given the chance as noobs to do this.

So if they allow noobs to train faster than we were able to, then it would be unfair to also make it cheaper for them.

using the 100mil isk is something you'll work your way into. You can just start the game and have 100 mil isk every time you wanna remap. Making it cost that much is still cheap enough, but it also sets a small sense of accomplishment to be able to get that 100mil



actually, I think if you started a 1 year training plan a remap could actually knock off up to 2 months, but either way, there's not difference between doing planned out skills for a year and being able to train skills as you need them



Uhh, going to last statement, if there's no difference between the training time if you train certain skills with a remap and if you remap a couple time to train different skills.

2nd, eve needs another isk dump. This would be perfect cause it's something EVERYONE would use, so it would actually dump a lot of isk.
An isk splash wouldn't buy the best attributes unless you already had the best implants. Also, it adds a dynamic to the game by allowing remaps instead of allowing skills to train at max rate.

Again though, there really isn't much difference between allowing unlimited remaps as compared to once a year remaps other than the time you have to wait......

Also, it's actually a bit unfair when it comes to remaps. Lets say you and I both remap to train ship skills.

You train for gallente ships and I train for caldari ships.

We've trained for the ships that we want, and now we're gonna train weapon skills.

But wait, we can't remap.

So now your turret skills are gonna take longer to train..

What's this though??? Missiles require the same attributes as ships, so I get to train my missile skills faster.

So that's unfair, and that balance is another reason for allowing unlimited remaps.

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This suggestion Isn't something that's going to break the game.

There's no one in the game that will be able to train all the skills before CCP gets new ones, but if they do, congrats player, and your bad CCP.

Most players in the game won't bother remapping as it is. Even if a player has a dedicated 1 year plan, most players realize that if anything comes up that might require you to train an unintended skill, then you're boned, so the just don't bother remapping and keep their points balanced.

So basically, the current neural remap system is a failure. So lets open it up and use my suggestion and see where it goes from there.

They could always take it away later if it didn't work out properly, but personally, I see no difference, and feel that it would actually benefit eve and the players.

No one else wants to comment on this??

Not a good idea. Example being I have been looking at remapping and I could nock 20 days off of a 60 day train, then pay 100M and do it again and again. Its Not a good idea. I do think noobs should get 2 remaps in the first year. Simply because, You can **** it up bad when you do it. I got lucky and decided to set myself up to be flat once I found out what it did. because I had no idea what I wanted to do. I just knew it could **** me up if I did not play it smart.

How is mining an isk sink??? Are you referring to the price of items? Because what I'm referring to is the actual removal of isk from the game.




Correct, but let me say this.

If you set up a years worth of training, once you've remapped you'll knock of about 2 month worth of that training time.

Now, a player that has a dedicated training program that will take the full length of a year is set, and even though the training is taking a year, the player is knocking off at least 2 month worth of training.

But, here's the problems.

1) If they player decides they want to train something else in the middle of this because it's something they need now, they'll have to take longer to train that other skill

2) This one year skill training would have to be set towards skills effected possitively by the neural remap. This is quite hard to do. If you're training for a super carrier, for a lot of people it won't take a year, so you'll have spair time on that year que. However, you can't just go train drone skills because they're negatively effected by remapping for ships. So you have to train pretty much random skills affected by the remap and most of that training is just gonna be random skills that you may need, but you're waisting time cause it's not what you know you need.

3) You can't change your mind on what you want to train, unless you a) it's affected possitivily by the remap, or b) you're willing to take the time loss.

Because of the fact that you pretty much can't change your mind, mix skills of different trees, or add in skills you need now, most players don't even bother doing a remap, unless they have 2 available so that they can balance back out when they're done.
So it's basically pointless to have neural remaps available because most players feel it's a bad idea to use it.



Actually, if they change it to allow the players to pay isk to remap, than that would be the game mechanic, so you wouldn't be bypassing anything.

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Back to a point that I had listed earlier.

There is no difference between a player remapping 20 times and training skills for a year, and a player only remapping once in a year and training skills affected by that.

Either way, both players are reducing the training times by the same amount. The only differences are the player paying isk to remap has the ability to train skills they need to train instead of a plan followed by random skills, and the player paying isk will have to pay 2 billion to do this. That's a pretty hefty price to train skills.


The neural remap system is currently broken. I say it's broken because the only time players will risk using it to actually speed up a training que is if they a) have a plan that will take a full year that they are CERTAIN they won't change or b) they have a second available to remap back to balanced.

My suggestion would allow the players to train the skills they need in the manner they need at a cost of isk.

This would be fair to all players in the manner of how you remap.

There is no difference between remapping once a year and training skills affected by the remap, and remapping often to train skills.

Either way you set the remap, if you train only skills effected by the remap in both situations, then length of time it would take you to train every skill in the game would be the same. Hell, it would actually take you longer to train the skills remapping constantly because you would have to stop training for every remap.

Point being, the only thing lost in the change is isk from the players, and the only thing gained is skill training diversity.

Again, if the game mechanic is to pay isk to remap, than you're not paying to bypass the mechanic. You're just using the mechanic.



Again, reguardless of how you set the remap system, both players would complete all skill training in the same amount of time if they only train skills boosted by the remaps.

You're saying that creating an isk dump that allows you to remap whenever is paying to bypass a game mechanic, but with this thought you would also have to say that once a year CCP give the players the opportunity to bypass the game mechanic of attributes.
I say this because whether you do it once a month or once a year, you're still bypassing the mechanic called Attributes and it's not really that bad....




Actually, it would apply the game mechanics equally to everyone.

Once you're able to make 100 million isk, which isn't all that much, then you're able to remap just like everyone else that has 100million isk.

Once a player can afford 100million isk they can do a remap.

100million isk is not at all an unattainable amount, and players that have been in the game longerand know good ways to make isk will actually have an itentifiable eliteness in that they can afford more remaps.

100million isk is still quite an affordable amount to pay, but it's not exactly "hey so simple amount of isk"

Either way you role it, you're training skills just as fast as someone who schedules around a 1 year remap. You just have the ability to train skills as you need them for a balanced price.

Training for a super carrier and training for drones are effected by 2 different remap plans, so you're waisting time if you train any drone skill while remapped for ships. So what are you gonna train in the mean time???? Just wing it and train for t2 destroyers or something????