Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You may not be considering it, but some groups operate in 0.0 that do not base themselves in 0.0

You are limiting your views of acceptable content, when you assume they must take space or leave.

That's the flaw in your argument. Not every roam is a rampage. Maybe those small gangs want to know what they engage (or try to run away from). And they are not able to if the enemy controls all the intel they can get.

This seems correct.

A roam is a group of players looking for an encounter, but due to their obvious presence they are normally avoided by any player not interested in encountering them.
This leaves mostly opposing players, many of whom often reshipped so they could meet the roam as a group.

If the intel is one sided, this places the roam at a disadvantage, and could result in some players avoiding places where they were blind to desired intel.

After you have choice:

You are organized with ressources because you have your own industry : drop your own OA
You are organized but only pvp player, no industry : Make your own intel send scout and check.
You are pvp player without organisation you just want fight and kill mail : Sorry for you your opponent have advantage on you because they have use industry to have this adavanteg in exchange during prime time all people can attack this building who cost a lot.

RISK VS REWARD .
The first groupe take same risk as target : They have same advantage. (yes take the risk to loose everyday an expensive structure is a risk).
The second group take less risk (they take risk to loose some scout): They haven't the bulding advantage but they can scout like actual WH with probe and d-scan (and yes they can be less powerful if system have a strong intel def, but strong intel def can be an intel already => people live here.
The third group take no risk for intel (no isk sacrifice for intel) : No reward on intel, so they accept to pvp in "blind".


So yes i agree on battlefield group with 0A take less risk as group who "pvp for fun without intel" because they have intel. But they take more risk as "pvp for fun without intel" because yo can everyday attack this expensive structure.

Local who actualise after X minutes with OA for all player is just a very bad idea : if people want to play without local they already are in WH.
OA must give a full control of intel means control of local. So auto refresh local lie now is mandatory for OA. Other case it's an uselless building ,and 0.0 will become useless (industriel will be more safe in WH).


And we are speaking about a structure who can cost billions and easy to take with entices link . 1 must cover all the system other case read : Uselless building.

(lets try and keep the quote trees to a minimum, it makes the ISDs twitch)

This is more or less generally what I was thinking, but I think it drives more and better conflict if the OA is actually fairly cheap (for a structure) and also fairly easy to knock over. This means that the group that it poses the greatest threat to (a small gang) can actually do something about that. Then, if the gang decides to attack the structure with an Entosis Link, the defenders are forced to react or lose their structure.



Why should this be the case? Because of increased safety? That doesn't make sense. The risk here is losing the structure, that doesn't need an additional downside. If you want to stop people from ratting in slightly increased safety then blow up the structure. Either they come fight you (during which time they can't be ratting) or they lose the structure and you're free to harass them without worrying about it.

From the original description of the Gates they sound interesting and I look forward to learning more about them.

I am more interested in the tactical potential of the Observatory type structures, it is clear that they will have a significant strategic advantage in WH space for those who can operate them effectively, which I dont see necessarily as being a bad thing. It would be nice to be able to use the Observatory structures like a command and control point giving a commander the ability to move around fleets and scouts within a system or maybe several systems with near real time accuracy. Feeding back information form scouts, probes and fleets in a meaningful way would add a new dimension to game play.

I have the following idea that sort of works with the Observatory array concept in WH's but could be used in integrating a WH mapping system into the game, so here it is:

Wormhole Telemetry Probes: (probably not new but stay with me) These probes would send a signal to an observatory array, with the current Mass on the WH, the current Age of the WH as well as a location and type, nothing more. These probes are expendable you launch them into a WH and it gives more accurate information than sitting there looking at it working out when the WH will die. They could also be hackable or destroyed, so you can mess around with targets.

As a part of a suggestion for a WH mapping system is that this would then automatically update a personal/corp/alliance bookmark location once the probe is launched. The mapping will automatically add any additional WH's in a chain as you scan down the WH (you still have to do that) and launch a probe to add the WH to the chain. When one of the WH's collapses/or probes telemetry is lost the location is removed within an hour or so from the map/bookmarks automatically along with anything beyond it, and it is a nice idea for mapping WHs without hopefully breaking the game for anyone. If a probe is destroyed and you redeploy a probe it should reconnect a chain.

Spy Satellites: One scout can do the job of ten, part of me would like this feature some way of monitoring locations like a Stargate, Station, Wormhole or even an Ore belt without having to deploy a whole fleet of scouts to do it. It is probably not feasible to have something like CCTV for Eve, but having maybe something like a log saying e.g. "Location 1: Buzzard belonging to Pilot XXX entered system at 20:00". You would have to have filters so that only war targets or something like that appear but would something like this be possible?

Why should everyone benefit from these? IMO they should only give advantages to the holding alliance. They are the ones spending the isk and taking the risk to put these up. Now if you want to hack into it and then gain access to the "network" I am fine with that but it shouldn't be free to the attacking parties.

Edit: I am also of the idea to get rid of local and only have regional or constellation chats.

I hope to see that happen.

As it stands, we use the gate bottleneck's existence to leverage a small number of defenders into protecting much larger areas of space than some may realize.

I am not saying that this is a bad thing, necessarily, but it would be worth considering making other options, like this hyperspace bypass, a means of creating content.

Every time I hear this, I fear it will be abused by the large groups to break jump fatigue changes. While I'd like to see smuggler gates, it has to be carefully balanced so people can't just leap-frog gates without fatigue.

I have a feeling CCP will go the way of the jump bridge with these things, since POSes are going the way of the dodo, they will move jump bridge functionality to separete structures.