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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#161 - 2015-03-30 22:09:04 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Look, I'm getting tired of arguing with those of you against Intaki Liberation. If your interested in supporting the Intaki and eventually liberating them, speak up. If not, we have enough of you protesting against the Intaki simply because you want to use them like your personal dog.

You seem to have forgotten how an open fourm works. Consider this a bit of enlightenment, people disagree with you..... alot.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#162 - 2015-03-31 23:39:25 UTC
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Demion Samenel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
#163 - 2015-04-01 18:46:55 UTC
I have over the years learned that publicly address these matters is of no use special if its a military intervention you seek as it tends to draw unwanted eyes to its cause. There are forces that wishes the same things you wish for mr.Toralen and for the people of Intaki, I have fought in the Intaki system before and even called it home during a short period and for some I call friends hold the system in high regards.

I offer my advice if you want it mr.Toralen

Captain Demion Samenel

Chief of Diplomatic Staff

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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2015-04-01 19:58:53 UTC
Do no try to foment revolution or rebellion where it is not necessary.

Intaki here. I'm currently living in Syndicate. I had zero issues leaving the Federation, and in fact received lots of support from fellow Gallenteans, both Intaki and not, during my move - especially from my fellow corp members in the Center for Advanced Studies. An official Gallente corp that I remain in to this day without any issues.

If there are Intaki living in Federation space who are complaining about the conditions there, the fix is a matter of educating them, not liberation by force. All Intaki are welcome in Syndicate - and all Gallenteans are as well, in fact. Nobody has ever done, or will ever do, anything to prevent citizens from moving out here. Perhaps it's just not well known outside of the Center for Advanced Studies that Syndicate is open?

Spread the word to those living in the high-security of Federation space that a better life is possible out here.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#165 - 2015-04-01 20:10:50 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#166 - 2015-04-01 20:59:01 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#167 - 2015-04-01 21:12:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable?

Acceptable.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#168 - 2015-04-01 21:59:02 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#169 - 2015-04-01 22:00:25 UTC
Demion Samenel wrote:
I have over the years learned that publicly address these matters is of no use special if its a military intervention you seek as it tends to draw unwanted eyes to its cause. There are forces that wishes the same things you wish for mr.Toralen and for the people of Intaki, I have fought in the Intaki system before and even called it home during a short period and for some I call friends hold the system in high regards.

I offer my advice if you want it mr.Toralen


Yes please.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#170 - 2015-04-01 22:21:34 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable?

Acceptable.


Don't forget to bring two full changes of clothes, five changes of underwear and a toothbrush or culturally acceptable equivalent. You have been assigned to the Gaarushi family in sector 12-F at the Warm Breezes apartment block on Caldari Prime. You're expected in class seventeen at the reeducation center at Oh-Nine hundred hours on Wednesday.

Enjoy your freedoms.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#171 - 2015-04-01 22:43:44 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente.

They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2015-04-02 03:21:09 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Requesting - let alone expecting - the Caldari State to operate with any degree of unity toward any cause is asking a lot on its own even despite the motive or objective in question. You'd ask megacorporations with bitter rivalries that have extended as long as anyone can remember to join forces for the benefit of another peoples... Might I say that there'd best be an incredible sum of revenue involved.

Ishukone, on the other hand, has done a great service for the free peoples of New Eden far and wide. The Matari, especially, with their medical productions. Might I say that they also make a very fine line of Personal Defense Weaponry with the Matari as their target consumer base.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#173 - 2015-04-02 04:26:43 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente.

They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.


That is what I was suggesting. And before you people start I indeed fight for the Empire but only for their tech.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#174 - 2015-04-02 04:29:12 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Requesting - let alone expecting - the Caldari State to operate with any degree of unity toward any cause is asking a lot on its own even despite the motive or objective in question. You'd ask megacorporations with bitter rivalries that have extended as long as anyone can remember to join forces for the benefit of another peoples... Might I say that there'd best be an incredible sum of revenue involved.

Ishukone, on the other hand, has done a great service for the free peoples of New Eden far and wide. The Matari, especially, with their medical productions. Might I say that they also make a very fine line of Personal Defense Weaponry with the Matari as their target consumer base.

Indeed. This is why I run missions for Ishukone, Sisters of Eve, and the Syndicate.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#175 - 2015-04-02 06:38:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable?

Acceptable.


Don't forget to bring two full changes of clothes, five changes of underwear and a toothbrush or culturally acceptable equivalent. You have been assigned to the Gaarushi family in sector 12-F at the Warm Breezes apartment block on Caldari Prime. You're expected in class seventeen at the reeducation center at Oh-Nine hundred hours on Wednesday.

Enjoy your freedoms.

I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#176 - 2015-04-02 17:27:47 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.

I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?


When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente.

They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.


Which is fine but why ally yourself with a power who is at war with us and be surprised when you get hurt?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#177 - 2015-04-02 17:28:50 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....


Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#178 - 2015-04-02 19:11:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....


Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)

There is a BBQ at my place afterwards, my treat.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#179 - 2015-04-02 19:18:01 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....


Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)


Death to the Federation?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#180 - 2015-04-02 20:37:42 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....


Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)


Death to the Federation?


You have me confused with the short, shouty, Caldari.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.