Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just doing some quick numbers on my personal fits, the biggest nerf here is the speed and agility nerf to the confessor, by a _long_ shot. If we are looking at usage metrics the svipul is being used more than twice as much as the confessor is at least from looking at zkill. This would seem to indicate the svipul is a much bigger problem ship. From a personal perspective the main issue I see with the svipul is that it just does _too much damage_ comparatively. It is easily pushing cruiser level dps with a decent tank and a tiny pricetag.

The confessor is going to be much _much_ less nimble than before which may see a significant drop in its usage (alas sweet confessor you will dance no more), but the svipul is still going to be a monster of a brawler. As has been mentioned, lasers and armor tanks are very PG intensive so the relatively even ending numbers on these two ships don't make a lot of sense. In fact, I don't feel these numbers probably go far enough to curtail current fits (they don't change mine a lot fitting wise). In addition, the cost increase seems laughable. Why would I ever spend 25mil on an assault frigate when I can get one of these for 50? If these ships were more on the order of 100mil you would definitely see some price balance kick in.

Overall would like to see a little more batting of the svipul, and maybe a little less on the confessor, but a good start.

nerf 10mn ab please - they give too much speed and are immune to scramble

I mean, call me crazy, but wasn't the initial price goal 40m isk?

it does

The sabre is better than the heretic??? The margins between those two ships are more extreme than the svipul and confessor by the way. There are also ships with higher success ratios than both of the t3 destroyers *cough* mordu ships *cough* but those are clearly balanced.

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This brings in any ship's effectiveness really.

Just to clarify.

The Confessor changes are *okay*.
I'd much prefer the ship to be slower still.

The Svipul changes are a joke.
The grid nerf does very little other than hinder artillery fits. AC fits are still broken as ****.
The speed nerf is laughable. What is that, 10% when overloaded in speed mode?
The Svipul needs to be SLAPPED.


Perhaps the more important question is, what the hell are these ships supposed to be comparable to?
Even @ 50mil, the insurance payout makes them comparable to T1 Cruisers (with T2 mods), which other than a gimp fit, are woefully inept when it comes to taking on even a single T3D.

Hell, even with dual webs, a vanilla Svipul can still chug along @ 400+m/s in defensive mode
No cruiser is tracking that.

And you want to give us more?
Keep the nerfs coming.

I think he's serious.

He can't be tho?

He is.

I guess I was abusing the shite out of these hulls then seems as almost all of my fits are now impossible.

Sigh, guess it was needed

The whole point of AC is to not use much powergrid. The only way to make AC svipuls very hard to fit would be to make Arty IMPOSSIBLE to fit.

I'd like to point out that ACs have a meh theoretical DPS and an even more meh actual DPS. But at least it hits most of the time.