EVE General Discussion

I understand. But in the event that you need someone to offload on who will use everything you're abandoning, feel free to dump it on me.

In any event, have a nice day :)

I doubt there's anyone left at CCP actively involved in development that recalls first hand what EVE was originally built on. I'd bet those there are operating from second-hand, third-hand legend and myth - with an added conceptualization problem trying to attach pictures to the words - sandbox for instance. The game of no rules with rules.

This pristine definition of EVE left the rails five years ago...working on six now. Since then it's been change/adjust
alter/dump repeat and rinse in the form of "updates". Now and then there's pleasant additions which seem to be born from somebody's whimsy. If ever something needed to be recalibrated from a fundamental base it's EVE. However, the Icelandic Ego would never admit to this. It's, after all, ¿Qué es más machista - when it should be "What, exactly,
are we trying to do here?"

Unfortunately, the default position for corporations is to answer that question, "Trying to make money." Of course.
No great work of art was inspired by the profit motive. Never was. Never will.

So his views and opinions on Eve would vary depending on what the topic is?

I hope your wrong, he is one of the few Devs I have any faith in, that he wants what is best for the game, rather than what makes him popular with his game friends.

The rest of eve don't deserve to know?
Should CCP keep more secrets about their vision for Eve?

Stay a mushroom, you can roll your eyes all you like in the dark, uninformed room you choose to live in. (no-one will see you)

Don't take me the wrong way now, I have my concerns about the upcoming changes also , however I think it's a bit early to be calling our community manager out over proposed features while they are still very much in development.

Here's a big box full of sand, go play in it. NO NOT LIKE THAT

CCP has to shape the conditions in the sandbox universe so that more than 1 player can happily use the sand to do something with it, also players of different age need a meaningful way to play "together" without dividing the box. A virtually impossible endeavor requiring a constant flux of re-balancing. That said, I'm in general for simple (but effective) rules, but it's hard to find those in front of a bathful of criminal energy from thousands of experienced pixel warriors.

CCP will actually see how terrible it all is, get someone else to take over as "SOV Null game designer" (to sideline Fozzie) and do some emergency patches to fix the huge mess he is about to make.

I am very about the coming changes ... but hey, there is always High Sec Incursions and Worm Holes!

P.S. Fozzie has his vision, he has written it in his dev blog. He believes that he is completely right. Jump fatigue for all the complaining is working perfectly as planned in the design.
Now he is very sure of himself, so he is going to push through magic wands and easy flips to forward his Pandemic Legion style of playing EVE.[/quote]


CCP games worst mistake is hiring players to become dev's who have no idea on proper game design for the entire customers for which they provide a service for.. and in turn turning the game into "their own game" which all it does is ruin the sandbox even more.

if he designed other games and had a portfolio to prove he's excellent I'd be a little kinder out of respect. but honestly if they continue down this road of allowing fanboys to ruin their art.. then I look forward to the day I unsub and stop paying their bills.

vision.. vision.. yeah last dev said he had a vision and that ended well with teams being removed.. he didn't include his vision involving him splitting just like the others visions who split as well.

I'm not nearly as doom and gloom about, well, anything going on with the game right now as some of you are. That's not to say I don't have serious concerns. But at the end of the day, CCP isn't doing anything on the scale of "monoclegate/incarna" bad.

What is happening I think (as an outside observer that not only doesn't have the same information CCP has, but also as a guy who doesn't depend on EVE for food, shelter and clothing like a CCP employee does) is that sometimes people on the inside forget how to see things like people on the outside do. Developers may have been (and may still be) players, but actually working for a company changes all perspectives.



Anyways, yes, the "FozzieSov" idea is terrible. Not because it isn't well designed. Not because Fozzie and Co. are stupid (they are very smart). No, it's bad because it demonstrates that those guys don't understand the people they are developing for. They seem to think "pvp is pvp" without understanding that individual people and groups that like pvp like different forms of it.

The pvp that happens in low sec and FW is fundamentally different from what happens in null (and what happens in null is different from wormholes, what happens in wormholes is different from high sec, etc). "FozzieSov" is more like FW than anything else, and FW is small gang/solo style pvp. While plenty of null players like that kind of stuff, if they wanted that full time they'd have just gone to or stayed in FW.

Null sec attracts 'big fleets and big ships' types (the so called F1 monkeys, of which I am a proud member) and this Sov system creates an environment directly counter to what sov null dwellers are there for. Putting FozzieSov in null is like wiping away the current FW system in low sec and replacing it with Dominion Sov.. FW people would have just gone to null if they wanted to play that way.

Most of the pvp in EVE is actually small gang and solo. High sec, low sec and FW low sec, npc null, wormhole space, all of these are small gang territory (99% of the time, if there is a big fight in low sec or npc null, it's Sov null coalitions fighting lol). EVE has one real fleet fight (and capital fight) arena (Sov null) and CCPs brilliant idea here is to impose a small gang Sov system on it....

This is why CCP gets complaints, because sometimes they demonstrate breath-taking short sightedness.

I already answered that, you parsed it out when you misquoted me.