Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hmmm? I don't think destructible stations is what "null bears" are into.
Also bye bye F1 Monkeys. I don't see the problem, CCP is giving us the things we allways asked for, it's much easier to lose and defend active space.

Also Right now you can limit wh spawns(I hub upgrades?), and how limiting warp speed is making a SOV owners paradise? Remeber that warping time is the isk when you run anomalies, so every ratting system will rather boost the warp speed : )

Also This "Advanced intel" will not help against Combat probers with interceptors ^^ i have no idea how deleyed local can prevent carebers from beeing tackled.

And About cloky detection, it will work when you are afk, just like combat probing, if you are warping on safe spots, there is no way to get you. so i would not worry to much about that, i think it's making things more fair; and kills the drama once and for all.

It's a bit too early too answer those questions on gates - it depends what we are going to do with existing gates, where they're going to lead, how will the work and etc.

One goal we have is for them to replace Jump Bridges though.

Those are interesting points, thanks for listing them.

Don't you feel that without some guidelines/limitations on range, created gates could massively undermine jump fatigue changes?

Gates are ok, fatigueless jump bridges 2.0...less so. Just imo, of course.


edit: or is there an implicit suggestion that they can only link to "adjacent" systems?

Indeed, that was why I likened them more to jump bridges - I'm sure they'll figure something out but I just wanted to make sure it's nor overlooked

Sure, but if someone like say Red Frog decided to build a private gate network, that now allows them to move goods faster than anyone else, wouldn't that then become an extremely attractive target?

With all of these structures there's a group of people that seem to think everything will be come safer and we will end up with far fewer opportunities to "hunt" other players. They don't seem to see a huge influx of new structures, with different destruction mechanics than we are used to, as a huge opportunity for targets. Or as potential catalysts for mutual combat.

You only gain intel from local if you have people actively in that space, which means people are using it. One of the clear things about "FozzieSov" is that if you have the people to populate and make use of your space then you can hold it. They're not getting rid of large sov empires, they're getting rid of the massive buffer of "junk' space that these empires have, almost without exception, at the present time.

Also removing Local doesn't remove the threat of AFK cloakers because the cloaky still sees you on D-Scan and probes, while you do not see him. If he's logged off he can't D-Scan or probe, but he can if cloaked up. Plus someone cloaked up and active on grid is still not under any significant threat, so some kind of system wide pulse still has utility and creates interesting and more dynamic gameplay even if AFK cloaking is magically removed from the game.



Two things, one he's not saying that high-sec/low-sec will definitely get all of this stuff or all of the functionality. He's asking a question and saying they're not ruling anything out yet.

Also if it's exorbitantly expensive to protect or manage these structures in High Sec then no one will do so, and therefore no protection fees unless the price is reasonable. It's no more likely that this will lead to a lucrative high sec protection racket than current POS or POCO mechanics have lead to such a thing in High or Low sec.

OA and the ship discovery scanner:

In low, null and WH space, if a system does NOT have a OA, all anoms and sigs appear to be the same. Scanning would be required to determine the numbers of the two groups and additional scanning would be required to warp to them. Anoms would be very easy to pinpoint.

If a system does have an OA and if the play is in positive standing to the OA owner, the discovery scanner works as today. If that pilot is not in positive standing the player must scan as per above.

High sec would not be subject to this because of the highly developed communications infrastructure that already exists throughout high sec.

I think the fear is that the "risk of having them attacked" will be trivialized in highsec by the same mechanisms currently in place that trivialize wardecs in general. Namely, the simplicity with which a target corp can avoid a wardec. One of the biggest complaints has always been that high-sec corps have no assets worth fighting for, making it always cheaper and easier to simply drop corp and reform.

Without having to change wardec mechanics at all, you could address this problem head on by tweaking the rules around ownership/transfer of these new structures. Add a week-long delay when transferring ownership to a different alliance than the original owner in high-sec. Likewise, if the current owning corp/alliance disbands, any structures they own should immediately self-destruct. Provided these things are 1) useful, 2) expensive, and 3) time-consuming enough to build, it should hopefully become more cost effective to defend them under wardec than to simply abandon them and reform later. Giving high sec corps something to build that they have to stick around to defend would actually be a huge boon to wardecs in general.

What I definitely DON'T want to see is the same mechanics used now for some mobile structures; I don't want these things to be open to attack without CONCORD interference and using only suspect timers. For the small personal structures this is great, but for something corp/alliance level and strategic, it just puts the aggressors at a significant disadvantage where everyone in high-sec gets to shoot at the aggressors. In particular, it balances things in the wrong direction. e.g. structures in busy systems, which are generally going to be more useful as a rule by virtue of being in popular ares, will likewise be far more likely to benefit from "mob defense" under suspect-flag mechanics.

Part of the reason high-sec corps don't have assets worth fighting for is because it's so easy to prosecute a high-sec war though. There are high-sec corps with assets, but they're big enough to defend them most of the time, and it's not worth it for the majority of corps big enough to deal with them to try, because they have other more fun/lucrative things to do than grind down a POS. See: Eve University, who have been war-dec'd near constantly for going on three years now. The Uni POS has been blown up at least once in that time, but generally the target is newbies who don't know any better and can't fight back, not the Uni's assets in space or pilots who are actually PvP capable.

If it's financially viable to run these new structures in space then people will do so, but that won't be the case for the vast majority of high-sec corps if that means that the various war-dec troll Alliances just end up targeting them, blowing up everything they can find, and then dropping dec, then doing it again if they put the structures back up. No amount of tweaks to War-Dec mechanics are going to change this.



I think it would actually be more interesting if the pulse had a nice big system-wide warning attached, but still decloaks everyone no matter where they are. Since you can't re-activate a cloak immediately that means you can force a cloaky ship off-grid for a few seconds by firing off the pulse or they risk getting locked and killed, but if they're attentive and not inside something silly like a 100km ring of bubbles they should be fine. As long as you can't spam these pulses too frequently this shouldn't create too many issues with abuse but allows tactical options to counter cloaky scouts and bomber attacks if used tactically by the defenders.

This adds more move/counter-move options to the current rather flat cloak mechanics while also dealing with the issue of AFK cloaky ships nicely.