Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, at least there's that (the ability to follow targets into warp as well as recover them if you leave any behind).

I think we can stop complaining about this change now, guys. Between wanting our input, disregarding that input and going ahead with most of the changes they wanted to do anyways, then "typo"ing the bit about letting us assign fighters like drones on field in the last minute before the patch released and before anyone could argue, I think it's safe to say that when it comes to capitals and fighters, they didn't really want our opinions in the first place. Not to be a doomsayer, but don't stay too attached to your fighter's ability to warp at all; it was probably just too complex to remove before the patch's launch day, and they're working hard on taking it out as fast as they can.

Here's hoping that when they do decide to make capitals awesome again a year or two down the road, probably around the same time they fix heavy missiles and give the Rorqual a purpose again, they do a really good job. Writing on the wall says we're not gonna have a part in it.

I'll give them this; they do listen to our opinions, and do honestly take them into consideration. When they legitimately want them about something.

But if they've already made up their mind about something, why even ask us?

Oh yes. I'm done with the feedback stage. I've moved on to the action stage. Minus 8 monthly subscriptions for CCP due to their extreme disregard for the input of paying customers and the bait and switch to rub it in. I was of the opinion all along that this thread was just for show and they would do the changes regardless of how we felt. They confirmed it in a blatant way.

Post with your main + proof, or this is simply a poor attempt at trolling coming from an NPC corp scrub.

This is a tough subject do you remove a Drone Mechanic offered only to Carriers as a way of aiding allies from a distance but at the same time protecting the carrier in the eventuality that an enemy comes to you, much like Station games but the Carrier can easily pop in and out of a POS / Starbases Shields with little to no risk unless a large body fleet comes to bash each of the POS / Starbase they are in, and even then can still sit on a Reinforced POS with the same level of safety / more do the POS being untargetable.

Fighters really need to have additional mechanics in order to work away from their carriers / super carriers that are operating them. Consequently I believe Fighters should only be able to warp off to their target if they are on the same field as the Carrier and attempt to leave. Basically a Tab / Check box in addition to Drone Aggression, for Fighter Engagement. Basically the Carrier Pilot selects the box and is aware that any fighters he has currently on the field that he has deployed will warp off if the target runs away. This way the Warp Mechanic is still available but limits it to the target the carrier selects in the field where the carrier was.

Drone / Fighter / Bomber Assist remains but I think we need to add another mechanic to this to both assisting for not just Carriers and Supers but also Frigates / Destroyers / Cruisers, etc. Basically in order to assist drones to a target it must be targeted and selected. This will help by limiting assists on field as well as preventing fighters and drones from following their targets once they have left the immediate field. While the drones will still attack a target assisted to another pilot in an engagement, drone bandwidth and the targeting range would still dictate where the drones are on the field. Once a pilot exceeds anothers targeting range, the target disappears from the redicle and any drones assisted return back to or remain stationary where the target left targeting range.

You guys skynetted in Nenn a few times, if I remember right.

Tell me, how often did a fleet simply leave? Did you jump your skynetting carrier through the gate to go after them? Probably not.

How about going into plexes? Do fighters take gates? Last I heard, they don't.

Were your fighters station at every gate into the system? Constantly?

So let's see; powerful but restricted to one system, highly mobile but barred from 3 very popular battlegrounds, can bring a lot of firepower to bear but requires more than one person, and that second person can ONLY provide the dps, no Ewar, no point, no logi, nothing but dps.

In FW space, it seems rather balanced to me. The enemy has an asset you can't counter? Avoid them. Don't take the fight. It's the same as running across a huge fleet and you're out on a small 3-8 man gang roam. You don't take what you can't fight. Except this huge fleet can't follow you without putting themselves at large risk.

And in the kind of environment that lowsec is, especially Black Rise, a capital sitting ANYWHERE not either on station or a few meters out of a pos shield is in a LOT of danger. Earlier, someone had the great idea to go on a roam with their Enyo, Proteus and repping Thanatos. We tackled them on Okkamon gate in Reitsato, and started trying to get our barely at keyboard fleet into something that can take these guys. About 4 minutes into this happening, a 35-50 man bomber/BC/whatever gang dropped on the Thanatos and murerized it.

Let's also consider that random carriers get doomsdayed on station in the area too. Or how about Spectre fleet HKs roaming the constellations constantly.

I know one person who used to skynet in the area. After the 3nd time he did it, he was noticing Snuff and PL alts logging on in system literally seconds after he would. To the point where he just stopped logging the character on cause it was way too hot.

Yeah, that sounds like 99.99% safety.

Why not simply add a module?

Skill: Fighter Control Module: Reduce Cpu Need for Fighter control module

High Slot Mod

Frigate mod allows control of 1 fighter

Cruiser mod allows control of 2-3 fighters

Battleship mod allows control of 5 fighters

Seems that would fix the issues that are being addressed.

the whole point of a carrier is damage projection from far away, removing that entirely kinda ruins the class. hopefully in the future they will come up with some sort of middle ground. I say this as an aspiring Archon pilot, I would certainly like to do something with the carrier aside from logi.

It's done. Get over it now.