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SCYLLA - Download On Demand Issues

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#81 - 2015-03-24 16:56:53 UTC
Kaliba Mort wrote:
Assuming I have slow Canadian internet and I chose download-on-demand. Then I come across a new fangled-space-pixels-whigimagee that I don't see because it will take 5 minutes to download.

  • Will I still see brackets on overview and in space where the model is?
  • And will I be able to kill the invisible-ship-bracket with fire in the meantime as eve downloads the model?


Yes.
ClearOfFear
Babel Fish Inc. Reloaded
Eternal Requiem
#82 - 2015-03-24 16:58:08 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
ClearOfFear wrote:
Hi!

I noticed on the Sisi client after it was changed to download on demand that when i made a session change ingame like jumping a gate or undocking from station that the client halts for 2-3 secs.

I never got around to reporting it and forgot about it until i patched my tq client today and the issue was introduced on tq as well.

Now, when jumping gates its not that big of an issue as you end up cloaked after jumping but undocking from a station leaves your ship in space while the client hangs and takes away the seconds you may need to get away from station before someone targets you.

I cannot find any other posts about this but I know other players have noticed it as well.

o/


Were you able to reproduce this within the last few days or today on Tranquility? There was indeed a short freeze during session changes on Singularity, which was unrelated to Download on Demand. This freeze should have been fixed about 12 days ago and I am no longer able to reproduce it.


Hmm....I actually don't seem to be able to reproduce the issue anymore. I definetly noticed it on TQ right after i had patched my client today and an old corpmate of mine also noticed it. Maybe it was just something that needed to be cached for the first time?
Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#83 - 2015-03-24 17:02:04 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP Atropos wrote:

If you could provide us with some logs or screenshots that would be a good start. Then we can work on solving it. I should also point out that we expressly said that updating via the EVE Repair Tool was a Terrible Idea™ since it's not download-on-demand capable, and as a result will delete files from your (old) EVE Client that could have been migrated to the shared cache, which you subsequently have to download again.


To be fair to Lanaya - you only announced on the Launcher which many of us have given up on using because of its many painful issues. I literally just barely missed falling into this same trap because of the reddit announcement. So, finally throwing up a red flag OUTSIDE the Launcher at the last minute was bound to miss a few thousand people. Hopefully this doesn't reach BOOT.INI notoriety, but ignoring the countless pleas to fix the Launcher @##%@!&*!%$ ever since it came out may finally come home to bite you.


It seems CCP means that if you use repair tool, it will update your client but trash all the graphics since those no longer exist in the EVE folder. It will mean you'll have pristine EVE installation, but all the graphics will be downloaded on demand instead of migrated.

So no, this is nowhere near as important as the \ in boot.ini (or naming of that file!) since all it does is update eve, but without migrating graphics to new location.
CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2015-03-24 17:02:08 UTC
Oxigun wrote:
As a user who has both multiple installs with varying settings and installs across multiple computers, I would like to know if anything is changing in the CCP/EVE AppData folder. It usually contains two folders, one for settings and one for cache.

Does this new DoD model remove the multiple cache folders and save oodles of space?


We are not touching the AppData folder at all. (At least for now...)

CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB

Tarpedo
Incursionista
#85 - 2015-03-24 17:18:17 UTC
Is this file in "DOWNLOAD" section the most recent - DoD - version?

I have EVE uninstalled atm, want to install from scratch.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#86 - 2015-03-24 17:19:46 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
Is this file in "DOWNLOAD" section the most recent - DoD - version?

I have EVE uninstalled atm, want to install from scratch.


If it's not, then as things get installed it will patch up, with very little extra time for you.
Marciniusz Solo
Anti-Nub Incorporated
Centipede Caliphate.
#87 - 2015-03-24 17:20:33 UTC
As a player also running multiple installations, I'm having trouble with both launcher and launching the game. After couple failed launcher restarts I downloaded the manual launcher update, ran on on both installations, both launchers said "Client is ready" after that. But when launching launchers from the base file, one was ready and the other one started to download 2GB file (size varied between 1.96-2.01GB when launching multiple times). When I actually managed to log in the the running launcher, game does not start. Same happens when trying to launch from exe file. EVE process is visible in processes in task manager, but the game's not starting. Any help? I'm not really into this stuff so I don't know what to do.
XGADuke
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#88 - 2015-03-24 17:24:03 UTC
XGADuke wrote:
is there any fix for the Local Session Corrupt message?

http://puu.sh/gNKhI/9c46ec314a.jpg


reinstalling the game "fixed" the issue.

Now I need to download all the cache files again....
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#89 - 2015-03-24 17:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: KIller Wabbit
What changes should I make so I can run on Sisi?

Edit: Is this still 100% correct for setting up/maintaining install?? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#90 - 2015-03-24 17:40:14 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Tarpedo wrote:
Is this file in "DOWNLOAD" section the most recent - DoD - version?

I have EVE uninstalled atm, want to install from scratch.


If it's not, then as things get installed it will patch up, with very little extra time for you.


I'm giving up, I'll just play other games for couple weeks (or months) until EVE will be stable. Couple days ago I've updated TQ client to DoD Sisi client - it took forever (and computer was nearly dead all the time) and created folder with like 150 thousands files (which also took forever to delete). I don't want to repeat that procedure.
Sarmatiko
#91 - 2015-03-24 17:42:15 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
You can copy the shared resource cache to a portable disk, but there's no way to extract a list of recently added files, without trawling the cache and reading all the file access times. I would imagine what was meant by whatever reply was given to you, was that you can copy that shared cache and use that on other machines, as you wish, but there isn't an 'export last shared cache files' option and I don't think there will be that option, either.

Personally, I don't think that specific problem with limited user traffic is worth any of developer time, but in theory maybe if you poke CCP Snorlax..
Something like: when new update arrives, backup of old "resfileindex.txt" is created by launcher and then user can run rescache utility manually, which will compare old and new indexes and create archive with changed files.
jimbolina
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-03-24 17:53:57 UTC
Frost Ikkala wrote:
After really short update of launcher ,game started without a problems ,
Then noticed small loading bar above time bar ,
After leaving station game was seriously lagging for about 5-8 sec everytime at same location whatever I do its loading again and same lag.


FPS at max no problem [ GPU > AMD R9 280x ]
CPU temperature increased for 8 to 10 c [CPU> Intel i5]
HDD [SSD 120 gb]
Network [ 60/10 mbs]
OS [win 8.1]

When I warp to asteroid field it lags for few sec and then I just appeared at warp in location ,
Same for POS, PI , Stargates , Exploration sites etc . . .

Its like Im downloading same thing all over again like my game is not at the harddrive

How Can I download full game , because this is not working at all , TY !


same happens here to!
Redhawks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2015-03-24 17:55:37 UTC
Hemmm

Okay not the success I was hoping for .......oh hangon I wasn't hoping for anything because it used to wirk fine ....NOW ITS JUST SCREWED

I did have two perfectly happy and nice installs one on a SSD Drive and one on a seperate HDD ....why because I did and it worked nicely no problems. All the info on each was seperate and fine, bookmarks were relevant to each account.

The launcher launched nice enough and immediately wanted to crowd up my C drive (Boot SSD) .....no thankyou say I and switch it to the SSD drive reserved for games .....cool its working.

Flash up the second launcher for my HDD based set of files oh hangon its trying the same trick clogg up the C drive nope thats not what I want so I point it to the game drive ...... because surely the idea is to have one collection of common files for both accounts.............

WRONG

Its butchered the files and created one set of information relavted to the last install losing book marks etc.

Ahhh well luck of the draw say I .... I'll just go kill some stuff when I realise the launchers are now only using one set of files at all, despite there being two launchers only one works ......irrating but thank god its the SSD files....

Get into combat and without warning the UI informs me you cannot target as you have reached your targetting limit (hangon what the heck I dont have ANYTHING targetted in my MOA or my CORAX something screwy here ....

Still hey ho its all going well .....well it might be in CCP HQ shame it isnt for me.

RED
Vaako Omaristos
Doomheim
#94 - 2015-03-24 18:01:55 UTC
resource cache thing is at 80% please just work.

Trader, industrialist and thinker. Follow my progress on my 141 trading challenge here

Noriko Mai
#95 - 2015-03-24 18:05:19 UTC
Is the client with cache really 22GB big?

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#96 - 2015-03-24 18:24:57 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Is the client with cache really 22GB big?

22GB is too large. Are there maybe old .patch files still in the client folder? If yes, then you should be safe to delete them.

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

Bug reporting | Mass Testing

CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#97 - 2015-03-24 18:26:57 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
Is this file in "DOWNLOAD" section the most recent - DoD - version?

I have EVE uninstalled atm, want to install from scratch.


Yes, this is the current version

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

Bug reporting | Mass Testing

Zarny Woop
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2015-03-24 18:33:07 UTC
Just wanted to let a dev know that the launcher has a problem with it's percentage display value on the download progress bar.

screen provided: screen

godspeed

GRAMMAR: It's the difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you're shit...

CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#99 - 2015-03-24 18:35:45 UTC
Redhawks wrote:
Hemmm

Okay not the success I was hoping for .......oh hangon I wasn't hoping for anything because it used to wirk fine ....NOW ITS JUST SCREWED

I did have two perfectly happy and nice installs one on a SSD Drive and one on a seperate HDD ....why because I did and it worked nicely no problems. All the info on each was seperate and fine, bookmarks were relevant to each account.

The launcher launched nice enough and immediately wanted to crowd up my C drive (Boot SSD) .....no thankyou say I and switch it to the SSD drive reserved for games .....cool its working.

Flash up the second launcher for my HDD based set of files oh hangon its trying the same trick clogg up the C drive nope thats not what I want so I point it to the game drive ...... because surely the idea is to have one collection of common files for both accounts.............

WRONG

Its butchered the files and created one set of information relavted to the last install losing book marks etc.

Ahhh well luck of the draw say I .... I'll just go kill some stuff when I realise the launchers are now only using one set of files at all, despite there being two launchers only one works ......irrating but thank god its the SSD files....

Get into combat and without warning the UI informs me you cannot target as you have reached your targetting limit (hangon what the heck I dont have ANYTHING targetted in my MOA or my CORAX something screwy here ....

Still hey ho its all going well .....well it might be in CCP HQ shame it isnt for me.

RED


Regarding two clients: All clients on the same machine use the same resource cache. I don't really understand, why the 2nd client did not pick up the location of the first client (it works fine for me - and I have many clients on my disk). Check the current location in the setting window of the launcher (it should be the same for both launchers), then you can manually delete the data in the wrong location.

Regarding targeting: Could you please send a bugreport about this? Is it possible that you were jammed?

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

Bug reporting | Mass Testing

Ero Adalwulf
Wormhole Mining Minions
#100 - 2015-03-24 18:50:08 UTC
Just a quick post for the WINE (Linux/*BSD) people....

We have 5 people here at work that updated, and all went fine, except for one minor thing. Big smile
If you normally can't see everything on launcher screen, you probably won't see status bar for converting to shared resources.
Just watch your sysmonitor... when harddrive is finished banging its brains out, exit launcher normally and restart it to make sure all is good.
Then life is back to normal. Login and shoot something. Blink

Note for multiple clients: If all clients are in same prefix, it works just like dev said for MS Windows.
If your clients are in different prefixes, each will have it's own shared res directory (like using diff PCs)

Will post other info in Eve Linux forum ..... just wanted to put a note here.


See you in space,
Ero