Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots, the ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed from right click menus. (Updated on March 23, was originally: "Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.")

Looking like delegate and assist are removed altogether. So fighters can only be used by the carriers/supers themselves. Hilariously long locking time from the capital and then hilariously long locking time from the fighters themselves.

I am not happy with these changes at all. This just seems like overkill. Good way to make it so that nobody uses carriers and especially supercarriers ever for any kind of offense/DPS.

The current mechanism is very nearly risk free. I've dropped titans on an assigning super. It was in the shields before the DD's landed. We blew all that fuel, and the guy didn't even lose his drones... But this is probably overkill. The assign mechanism is one of the unique things about carrier and supers that makes them worth fielding.


What we do need is increased risk:
1) It should be possible to both point and scram fighters (and other drones).

The vulnerability of drones is the principle counter to their many advantages as a weapon. Right now, it's just too easy for them to get away, and it is not intuitive that these modules do not work properly on drones.

2) Drone/force field mechanics need some work.
a) Drone assign (or even operation) should not be possible when too close to a force field, or
-or-
b) Drones should be lost when you enter a force field.

As for distance from the force field, even 2500m would be sufficient. I'd even go so far as to disallow targeted modules within this range. This would insure that things involving the edge of a pos shield have some risk. A similar mechanism : if force field ranges fluctuated over a larger range, it might create some excitement for lots of normal activities.

I know the changes are coming tomorrow, but what you should have done is allowed Carriers to use Fighters in Triage mode. Then only let them assign Fighters in Triage mode.

So the proposal I just read states that fighter assist "should" go away due to stuff NS Carrier pilots are doing, and that you also want our opinion on the other feature fighters are classicly known for... Warping off to chase down their target.

I can't speak for NS, I do not fly there in my carrier. I am a carrier pilot who flies in WH space, so my 2 cents comes from that viewpoint. Here's how I see both proposals...

1. Take away fighter assist: This does take away alot of home court advantages employed defending a hole. Most engagements are small gang in nature, and being able to assign fighters from the POS is an advantage. So yes, I do see this as something worth nerfing. The direct effect it will have in WH's should be making it harder to defend without actually fielding the carrier.

-This will definetly create new PvP content, I'm all for it. But this is definetly a nerf.

2. Take away fighter's ability to warp off and chase targets: This is actually something that is good news to carrier pilots on grid, and bad news for peeps fighting against a carrier. A common tactic used against carrier pilots is warping off after fighters engage. This gets carrier DPS off grid, and can stay off grid for a bit if the target continues to bounce around in system while the carrier pilot has no DPS. If they stay on grid, so does my DPS. Thats one less thing to worry about, especially if I am also focusing on reps outside of triage mode.

-I would not call this a buff, but I certinly hope this happens. Makes it easier to manage DPS and reps outside of triage.

Over all I still see this as a nerf, but not as extreme as the jump changes were. It still requires to actually field the carrier more, which is always risky where I fly. I feel carrier pilots should get something if these changes go into effect. My suggestion, an additional fitting slot.

Archon: 1 additional mid

Chimera: 1 additional low

Thanatos and Nidhoggur: 1 additional mid

All this would do, is give alittle more flexibility in fitting. More tank, more DPS, more cap or an added utility.

CCP, if you're going to take from a ship class I've come to enjoy and love to fly... at least give me that in return.

man I hate posting stuff on the forums meh might as well post something that will be lost in all the other posts :)

I have been in and out of eve more times then I would like to count recently I got a bright idea since I love drones and assisting other players , that maybe I should do the dam 60+ day training for a carrier so that I can use the bugger to do stuff with .

changing the fighters on carriers seems a bit dull , hell is the point of a carrier / supper carrier not to be able to do these awesome stuff like sending fighters off into space , kind off like a mother ship dropping smaller ships to assist its fleet , sounds awesome . But simply changing it would make carriers something that I would not even bother spending the time to train for , hell if you remove something like that then you might as well remove the dreads main point of DPS as well as remove a titans main point of DPS since that would balance them out as well , while your at it add a red cross drone that bumps other ships .

changing carriers in this way will take out all the fun in playing with them , and removing fun from a game meh google dead MMO games and why they died out .

I play eve since its fun to play and its the only dam MMO game that seems to last the test of time , removing core stuff to ships not every second w@nker can use seems a bit harsh for he few who put the time into training for them not only that but the time it took them to perfect the use of the ship , anyone can grab a battle ship and go crazy , but it takes a special kind of freak to rip a capital ship out even if its from a more or less save spot and do something with it .

changes that sound better are restrictions on where carriers can launch fighters/bombers from , such as right click launch peep peep must be 50KM from structure to launch move thine @ss please .

anyhow carriers are awesome , those who scream death to all supers , sure go hunt them down and have fun for the rest of us who like the idea of a mother ship thingy with fighters that allow me to help my friends let us have fun as well , you never see carrier pilots screaming at CCP to nerf all the sub cap ships , it should be simple to ind something that works for everyone , or well something that more or less works as well .

hell since I had a look at eve a long long long time ago , when social life was not logging into eve , I have always wanted a carrier just for one reason , the drones , I hate guns and ammo , drones always seem to be the best way for some one like me .

Removing the one function that made us drone users drool is the same as removing long range weapons .

Not a bad idea for once someone thinking

Yep they are killing the need or desire for a carrier or super cap.

Makes me sad

I Agree.

Assist Fighters feature was unique to them and should stay like that... otherwise they are just oversized Heavies that cost a lot and take a lot of space.

The whole idea of cutting fighters / bombers down is just wrong - if you want to redesign capitals / carriers do so - do not do half measures like (I will cut one abilitly off)... All we see here is a NERF! with nothing in return for cost and time to build and skill to use

They removed all.... 20M figter with less functinality than 4k T1 drone... lovely :)

Good comment - it renders them usless in a combat now