Science & Industry

Spot on.

:facepalm:

You should probably read the last two pages, specifically where I directly commented on stocking up on zyd and mega

Hippinse,

these market distortions lead to lower player activity over time, as people who are bored of poking Veldspar try something new, and say, "**** it".

There needs to be a balance across all tiers of activities, mining in particular - which used to be balanced, when nullsec mined in asteroid belts.

Highsec is already 1) Overcrowded; 2) Has too many high ISK p/h activities for you to say anything about null.

So please, be humble and logical.

P.S. http://i.imgur.com/ReUZfak.jpg - Top right corner. Also, Ice mining is evenly distributed - that's what I would like to see with basic ores.

So, here's disconnect #1: You're referencing the situation if left unpatched as though it is inevitable. There are 2 other solutions that exist within the game today that have been debated and dismissed. Null reps have flatly stated that they will NOT use either of them, because they are not optimal compared to the preferred choice.

The preferred choice (continue mining low end minerals in anomalies and cycle the anomalies as fast as possible) results in a glut of high end minerals.

This is the definition of supply / demand while simultaneously being an example of Eve's much-lauded "actions have consequences".

The people driving mineral prices into the ground are refusing to stop doing that, and have now gotten CCP to step in and 'fix' things.

Now, normally, WHO CARES, right? This is the meta. People will act in their own interests, hypocrisy is winning, propaganda is useful because it works, and you can't ask the leopard to change its spots. But this is a closed system. What bothers me isn't that high-end mineral prices are going to rise, what bothers me is that low-end minerals are probably going to crash and the still-developing compressed ore market is about to die on the vine. Optimizing null ores will take isk out of one subset's wallets, and put it into another's.

That said, even with this not turning out the way that I would prefer, I won't be hyperbolizing the inevitable death of Eve.




I'm certain that lots of previous potential money-making tasks that were new-player friendly also don't exist. I don't see why this is a sacred cow.

With the relatively-recent addition of the compression array, compressing ore and selling it to null with a healthy margin WAS new-player friendly. Other relatively-recent changes made putting up a small tower when needed and taking it back down a low barrier to entry. Where is your concern for the new player?

I rather enjoy the sight of this burning theatre, whose roof is about to collapse. The game of musical chairs is about to end; the soothing music that had been playing for so long is but a faint echo now.

Wisemen have started heading for the nearest exits.

Given the years of distortions and pressure build-ups, some things become inevitable, Hippinse.

Game. Set. Match.

An idealist.

Here I thought you were sitting on mountians of Mexallon and five sets of researched capital ship components BPOs, making you continue using special logic to argue the point.

Guilty. What I lack in Mex I more than make up for in naivete and wishful thinking.

If null-sec is currently largely controlled by two or a small number of aligned powerful entities why can they not exercise some control over the miners in their areas? The large sov holders can & do exercise control over their members,& maybe renters, when 'organising' who gets onto the CSM. In the past they have also organised themselves for campaigns such as control of ice supply and prices, movement of haulers, usage of trade hubs, and large scale destruction of targeted ship types. Why not act like an OPEC style organisation and wrest some control over the resources you are largely in control of ? This would be a fine example of 'player designed content' would it not ?

As for the 'Nash Equilibrium' I'm not convinced that has to be the case. It's purely common sense to manage your resources in a strategic manner to control supply and income. The alternative is that we ask CCP to reduce the amount of Megacyte & Zydrine in the null-sec rocks. But the playerbase exacting control over their resource bases without direct CCP intervention would probably result in more exciting gameplay.

That's a fairly good idea - make T2 the new T1. However, I suspect this is highly tongue-in-cheek, so I must add that the basic minerals are the life-blood of New Eden - making it reasonably available is good for the whole of Eve.

Another point is that, in order for the new sov system to work, some regions need to be better in the resource-department than others to fascilitate player-generated "content".

What said resources are going to be is for CCP to influence - I must emphasie the word influence, because the markets and manufacturing decide based on bottlenecks in supply. Back in 2008-2009 during the height of the Tech 2 revolution, Dysprosium was the most sought after resource, which culminated in the complete destruction of the Band of Brothers alliance and the capture of Delve.

Before that, it was Arkonor and other high-end ores, along with 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 DED complexes, which at that time had fixed known locations and could only be ran so often.

NICE REGION, WE'LL TAKE IT!