Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was talking more about the pos version of skynet when I wrote that. I am aware you get timer, as I know that a bomber fleet needs to be over 50 pilots to realistically break a carrier before his friends can react. Bumping depends heavily on the kind of station we're talking about, and a 100mn Stabber or Cynabal won't live long under fighter fire. The machariel is a good point, but then, how often do you see battleship roams nowadays?

Uh, where are you getting 50 pilots from? According to my PYFA, a DPS Purifier does 651 DPS with 2 BCS and Rage torps. The highest tank I can squeeze out of an Archon without green, blue, or purple is 19207 EHP/S with a Triage II module, which means it can't assign fighters, not to mention it has ****-poor DPS. It'll cap out in less than 4 minutes, but it'll still be in a Triage cycle which means it can get cap or reps. Now, assuming a non-Tank version, it has 4090 EHP/S with a single repper and a DC2, which means that you only need 7 torpedo bombers to break it.

I'd like to bring your attention to this video of 38 bombers killing a PL Archon, even when it entered Triage. It didn't last very long even with 2x Capital armor reppers. In short, If you stop using 300 DPS bombers and start using 651 DPS Bombers your alliance could smell like the man you've always dreamed of. Everything's possible with 651 DPS Bombers. I'm on a Boat.

Basically, if they remove fighter assign I DEMAND they re-balance all wealth within the eve universe as a whole. It has gone on far too long! While null sec inhabitants and capital owners alike have been getting shafted patch after patch with no reconciliation for their losses. The cries of high sec and low sec players alike have been heard and their demands met, yet it has not one has made a move to live in null despite their constant "this is why I don't live in null" complaints that have forced these changes upon us. It has gotten so out of balance that I must make comparisons to high sec activities to show how much money is available to the individual player within null. The people of high sec and low obliviously have no real interest in fair play or living in null at all. They want all the isk and none of the risk and cost of living in null space. If you want to make 120m an hour (looking at you high sec incrusioners) come to null and risk your assets to obtain it. If you want to make 800m an hour, well I laugh at you entirely (looking at you faction warfare). WH space... I have less of an issue but god! Stop riding your high horse about no local, your lone system can be put on lockdown be happy with what you got, null is always open to roamers and hot drops.

If you re-read the title, it was 38 "Amarr Militia" bombers. Additionally, if you check the fits (using meta launchers and faction torps) and the toons in question, they weren't "top of the line" bomber pilots and didn't have fantastic DPS. When people generally ping for "need bombers to kill capital", you're not going to go into the specifics of "ok, we only need 8 people", you take whoever joins fleet and undocks in a bomber. And as I mentioned, 1200 DPS Talos fleet is a valid option, and much easier to use than bombers. Or you can just get a Moros or two to mop up the carrier in a matter of seconds.

And if the player opts to sacrifice DPS for tank, then that's his prerogative. You can still force him to de-aggress and dock, which would be considered a "win".

Except for the small fact it isn't a win, it's at best a draw. And a 1200 DPS Talos fleet is not a valid option for a roaming gang. Nor are the Moros. Sure if you are specifically hunting a known skynetter you can do such things, but not if you are a random roaming gang. On the other hand if you are a random roaming gang and the carrier attempts to engage you at say.... the asteroid belt you chased the ratter to, you can tackle the carrier, concentrate on killing it's fighters off and then wear it down slowly. Without needing to play stupid station games. (Especially if the carrier fits for the max DPS/Tracking while on grid, which makes it a 0 tank target).
So the carrier having to be on grid to engage makes a massive difference to the ability of the gang to deal with the carrier compared to it being off grid skynetting.

^^ With things as they are now you won't be bomber hot dropping a carrier used by someone doing "skynet" proper.
Never sure with your posts if your meaning as things are now or after a theoretical change to force people to be 50+km off a POS to assign fighters.

My point is that as things are now if people are doing skynet "properly" you aren't going to be bombing them - not sure if your talking from the perspective of after any theoretical changes or not.

Some people are doing it like that... its become increasingly common to do it sitting right by the tower itself with the forcefield down and the password dialog up so they can online the FF and save themselves from any harm without moving. There are also 2 other techniques where they can even sit right outside the FF and be instantly safe without moving at all - no matter how many bombers or titans you drop on them.