EVE General Discussion

On grid will be a HUGE betterment to now since you could easily see not only that there is a booster but which booster. Put it on KB's aswell and personally i could live with that. It would make a terribble mechanic a lot less terrible and a lot easier to live with.

It is easy to live with already.

But just, on grid, will not stop the moaning and groaning, because some people will still self-limit themselves and then complain to CCP that it needs to be fixed.

What may be acceptable to one person, won't be acceptable to someone else. The only change will be who is doing the crying, instead of dealing with it.

i have seen this in many small games: you can pay real money for next level or some stuff you can but lazy to get with ingame means.

Why not make it in Eve? Let's say i want to kill this particular pilot/ship. I just too lazy to do it. I select it in overview, press button 'pay for kill' and BOOM! Money paid, killmail is ready and pilot goes to cloning facility.

Stupid you say? Why? This is Eve: nothing needs to be fair game. You want to be 'competitive'? Just use whatever you can to get upper hand. You are paying for second account with booster to get 'solo' kills? Ok. You pay real money for special button to get the same kill? Ok too.

Solo player, one account, stands little to no chance. It's not a matter of energy or $$, we simply should not need more than one account to compete.

Whatever. Adapt or die, right? Well, I can't compete but I can run and hide with the best of 'em! So I do, even gave myself an award for it. Check my decorations.

Hmm I kind of get at what you're saying now. You're one of those rare types that like pvping on the test of skill along with no other benefiting factors like boosters, falcons, logi alts involved. I hate to tell you this but you're not gonna find that in Eve even if CCP did remove OGB (unless they're hosting a contest). I've been on the receiving end of the not so honorable tactics that you've mentioned and then some so I can sympathize but instead of whining to CCP about it I choose to adapt. Have you seen what a linked Confessor can do? It's addicting...

You don't understand the problem. Ogb hurts solo and small gang pvp mostly. The larger the fleet the less of an issue ogb is. If you want to comment further do some research on the topic before steretypically labeling any critcism beyond your understanding and ingame experience as whining.

The thing is, EVE is a multiplayer game, you are playing solo.

Offgrid boosting simply needs to be removed and redesigned as an actual combat role that requires pilots to be on grid.

It could also be an interesting approach for capital ships since their usefulness has been decreased over the past few months (and will continue to do so with the sov rework).

Links scale with fleet size as everyone in the squad/wing/fleet receives the relevant benefit. The larger the fleet, the greater the benefit. Not the reverse.

OGB help small gangs and single combat ships, not hurt them. They allow them to engage a wider variety of targets and get more fights than they would otherwise be able to engage in.

But of course, you don't mean links hurt solo and small gang pvp. You just mean they hurt those that don't have links, which is BS.

It's not a bad approach, just not perfect either.

Grids can be manipulated by players and if it was simply a change to on-grid, then grid manipulation would become the new norm for fleets/players using links. It would certainly be an approach for static situations (eg. gate camps, station camps and any situation where there is time to setup for an engagement).

A distance limited effect would seem initially to be a way around this and reduce the risk that players would just manipulate the size and shape of the grid.

But what distance?

If a links ship is on grid and close to the fight, it would become the first primary target as often as practical. That would mean it would require significant tanking capability, or sufficient speed/distance to be able to survive.

To implement an on-grid or distance limited effect, new command ships would be required at frigate and destroyer size as a minimum (to be able to enter novice and small FW plexes for example) and allow fleets to utilize their effects wherever they are needed in a fight.

Something like the T3 Destroyers could be useful in a command ship role, since they can also be combat ships, so could be in the fight as well as boosting and/or just indistinguishable from the other ships in the fleet. Something would be needed at frigate size also.

That would also open up opportunities for other counters to links like ewar modules that opponents can use.

Additional deployable units could also be introduced that eliminate the effect from an area similar to the way cyno jammers and d-scan inhibitors work.

A whole range of new possibilities could open up, but it would need to be more thought out than simply on-grid. That wouldn't change much in many situations.