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Okay, someone correct me if I am incorrect, but TCU/IHUB's will still require online times of 8 hours and will STILL require bashing until they come online. True/False?

Harrasment favouring changes won't change null. No matter how many idiots would love this, or how many other idiots hypocritical advocate for this. This happened when they introduced the spaceaids. Where are now all the working class heroes telling everyone how amazing and wonderfull it will be? Also spliting the game in precise timezones would lead to time-zone based alliances. Wich is absolutely bullcrap, and would deny totally the spirit of the game.
There's absolutely no incentive for conflict in null besides resources. Wich at the moment are pretty lacking, after all the nerfs and "balances". Of couse, CCP can kill the game there by just making the space imposible to use decently. Probably they will do it too. Just because a "genius" there pretends THIS will bring people down. Or at least that's what we should believe. But i suspect this will be coupled with another low priced plex sale for "new alts". Cheap efficient **** done with untrained chars and low investment thing. Oh shure, there will be a lot of geniuses telling there's a lot of small conflict in null. Stop the bullcrap, it's not. It is a lot of small harassment in null. Just that. Want conflict? Make people fight. Is actually sooooo easy. Safe pvp killed all the fun.
We might think CCP is after pvp. Have a good look. They not. Is just about bussines and as few work they can get. And, for god's sake, i can understand this: it's a game just for US. For them, is a bussines. It has nothing to do with how awesome it is, because it is not anymore. It has nothing to do with how balanced or fair it is, because it's not. It has to do only with sales. They don't give a empty f*** about the playerbase's opinion, except it sells plex. Wake up, lol. There's absolutely no reason CCP would want a populated nullsec, if this does not sell enough plex.

NOONE will want to take space lol. Everybody will just want to destroy other's sov. That's all. Will be fun for like 2 weeks. Ok, after that what?

I get the splitting fights idea, but I'm assuming you won't have 500 people trying to move into a single system for their sov. Not like it really matters. We who have several hundreds of pvp people in our alliances will still be able to maintain the space that we want/need against any unorganized rabble. Organized rabble on the other hand, probably already have sov and can't leave it undefended to come and attack our sov.

I feel like what is needed is some sort of border system, where the more sov you have, the weaker your borders are, and more defenders are required. Right now it's pretty much impossible to stop a hostile cyno-capable force from getting behind your lines with even a modicum of effort, so you have to control everything to the choke points. I don't think we want to control all that space, but I feel like we have to, to maintain supply routes and keep any potential threats from establishing a foothold. Once inside a region, there are essentially no more choke points with cyno-bridging entities.

No one wants to take anyone's space now, either.

2 weeks of fun and a daily system of sov harassment (to which you will soon have to start committing fleets slightly more scary than roaming inty gangs if you want to accomplish any actual harassment) is better than absolute stagnation. More importantly, we'll then have a sov system that no longer serves as its own deterrent to sov conflict.

Obviously CCP still needs to address the issues of nullsec life, industrial/mining attractiveness, player density limits with regard to anoms being primary income sources, etc. But NO amount of tweaks to these incentives will accomplish anything as long as structure grinds remain the deterrent to sov warfare and supercaps remain the deterrent to structure grinds.

This is completely ignoring the number of short and medium term conflicts that will arise from small groups no longer needing to pay for supercap fleet leases. They can put their own name on the map, simplify their PI ownership, grab a couple of moons, save money by not paying rent, etc. There are a lot of immediate incentives to drive conflict once the structure grind deterrent is removed. The cost required to take and hold sov you already live in, which no one else really wants to own, and which you will already need to defend locally on a daily basis, is going to go down drastically. The economics behind the current balance of power/rentals is going to shift radically.

But yeah, long term health still depends on CCP addressing all the other nullsec issues. Luckily their dev blog said as much.

I have watched CCP mess up 1 sov system change and countless other revamps, they honestly have not earned that credit. If anything they have earned exactly what they are getting, which is players speaking out and voicing there concerns. If it was there intention form the beginning the devblog would have said, something like "these modules will have a high enough fitting requirement to make them impracticable or impossible to fit on xx sized hulls". I will grant that it may have been an oversight while dealing with the larger issue of sov and the mechanics behind it, but it was the first thing i thought of when i read the blog as well.

Well Your wrong.
Current mechanics dictate that structures are the target, said structures need huge resources to combat, and any coalition that comes to provi trying to engage those targets not only has to fight us, but EVERY enemy they have acquired, looking to kill them and the assets they bring. Our ability to make everyone who has come to provi bleed isk, combined with the literal billions and billions of hp's of structures to affect our region is what has saved us. Space quality is irrelevant for griefing and trolling. If the enemy comes is cheap assed, or simply no fun to engage ships, no-one is gonna want to help you.

I said this in a previous post, yes by the new proposed mechanics we are in theory one of the strongest regions in all of eve for this proposed expansion, our entire coalition is pretty much crammed into one region, and our industry on that chart floating around is the best index in all of new eden (lol yeah ours is 1, everyone else is 0). But I see virtually no actual benefit from this, larger than us entities will simply N+1 us, and smaller entities will troll us so badly it will make the game ****, as we chase trolls who ping timers for a chase. Our new players will get farmed by better players who ping timers, and old players who have dedicated the game time to building up the region are already starting to quit as this change shows them that they are unwanted in this game.

This expansion does so much to encourage small skirmish and harassment warfare (shock horror something fozzie was known for as a player). But how it improves the game of thousands of sov bloc players, who don't want some ****** skirmish no depth pvp, in this format just begs the question of how ccp can possibly think this is an improvement.

The cost and time of being a sov holder, compared to the cost and time of attacking someone who has sov with this new system is going to make what is already a vacant wasteland for most of null even worse. Even the big bloc industrialists, I bet, will be looking at this and going.. yeah screw null industry, the risk of loosing everything because of a few ****** days just isn't worth it.

This rolls out in june apparently, if it rolls as it is, the 4th of July weekend will open up every flaw it has, it'll expose the TZ blatant flaws, losses to the superblocs proving a point, will likely cause the largest unsub ever, small alliances thinking this is gonna be easy will loose hundreds of pretty ships, so there disappointment will add to the mix too.

So yeah provi probably is better suited than many to deal with this... and I still say it suck balls.

CCP has a long history of breaking stuff and walking away from it. Not sure where you get this faith that they will fix it after the fact.

I also don't see how "occupancy" is given all that much more than lip service in this blog.

*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

if you had said ishtars or tengus i might believe it

even then a group that can contest one beacon is going to have trouble contesting the 242 simultaneous timers that the other interceptors are making

75 stations + 2 * 84 systems btw

I feel as though a few tweaks to your proposal would allow you to accomplish your goals while eliminating the easy griefing.

1. Reduce the range of the T2 capture mod to 50km. That puts the all potential ships trying to capture in range of bonused range webs/points, but still allows for kiting with faster ships if specialized defense ships to counter are not brought.

2. Limit Entosis modules to cruisers or larger. I'm really not a fan of the idea of frigates/destroyers capturing sov. However, my other points would still cover the main problems with using frigates/destroyers if the entosis module was not limited to cruiser or larger.

3. Allow TCU's to be deployed close to POSes. This will allow defenders to create a decent defense against smaller fleets for their sov at all times without a presence. A reasonably set up fleet can overcome any pos defense, but sending individuals or groups of 2 or 3 to grief many systems would not be viable. This also gives the defenders an advantage when defending against small/medium fleets. I also wouldn't be opposed to allocating more PG/CPU to POSes to allow for better defenses.

4. Remove the 4 hour vulnerable window. This alienates alternate timezones and discourages multi-timezone alliances. I understand the point of this window but it won't translate well in the game. Players who cannot login during the vulnerability time will never get to see a defense fleet. If you must, allow defenders to choose an 8 hour window where it's invulnerable. This would still provide ample opportunity for all to attack/defend any sov while giving the defenders the benefit of protecting their most vulnerable time.


I really do like the ideas behind your proposed changes, but they need tweaking. I believe my modifications listed above would help accomplish your listed goals without making sov defense a daily 4 hour chase fest.. I hope you read and consider this post. Thank you for your time.

A 5 year eve player,
Yeoman18