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Will this help to populate the vast regions of the south where the true sec is horrific and the distance between stations too far to be bridged? Proberbly not.

Will it help to busy up the drone regions? Proberbly not.

Will it make cloud ring worth owning? No but vega and evoke will Proberbly try anyways...

So not really expanding on 0.0 are we..

Remember. This isn't a "fix null sec forever and for always" expansion. This is a "sovereignty mechanics overhaul" expansion.

I raise you the sniping battleship, able to swat away any foolish interceptor that turn a capture mod on since they can't warp away. The idea that inties would suddenly become ridiculous with this change seems to gloss over the fact that you cant warp for 2 min and need to stay there for 10+ min with the module active and since the most I've been able to get an interceptor to lock is ~130 km (all sebos+rigs with no prop) so any small gang of sniping ships would slaughter the paper thin ships when they try to capture.

The biggest reason probably comes down to "we still want to be on top if this game ever becomes fun again".

so for your example maps all of your examples were taken from the only NRDS space in the entire game. I'm wondering why you chose that for your example? It would seem that under the current mechanics provi is some of the most active small and medium gang null sec space in game and I would guess also some of the most used space. If anything it should be used as an example of what is working and not what needs to be changed.

As far as the changes themselves I won't say that they are bad or not an improvement it just doesn't seem to change all that much to me. I mean from your stated goal I fail to see how this makes huge strides towards any kind of major change.

It also bugs me that you focused on sov changing mechanics as if that was where null needed work when I do not feel that was what needed the most attention. Sov changes should be something rare and not a huge part of the day to day life in null. You focused on sov changing mechanics in null and are going to somehow claim that will change the day to day living in null? It's not that I am unhappy with the changes in that I think they will negatively impact the game as I don't. It's that I am unhappy with the changes because you spent time developing this when you could have been developing something useful.

If you want null to be active with all kinds of players and be active and used then you need to change how sov holders make their isk from the space that they own. You also would want to have them make isk off of neuts and give them the tools to manage NRDS effectively as having huge sections of blue space with locked down borders does not encourage fights or make them more likely to happen but having tons of unknowns and neuts flying around does.

In real life we say things like follow the money because money trails tell you a lot about motivating factors. If you want to control how space is used and how it is held and why it is held you need to change the motivating factors. What you have done here is change the mechanics on how to own space which is far less effective than changing the mechanics of why you own space.

These changes largely seem like a huge waste of dev time. I can't believe you are spending half of a year on this turd. I'm hoping some one there at CCP gets a clue about motivating factors and human interactions. I am so let down by this blog that I don't think that I'll feel compelled to watch porn and / or fap for at least a day or two.

Questions:

- What happens if a pilot is not in an alliance and still go and activate the Entosis link on a structure in an empty system?

- Will there be any roles given to the pilot who actually uses the Enthosis Link, so he can go capture on behalf of the alliance? If not, how can an Alliance leader controls who to attack and who not to when every member goes crazy attacking everyone. Standings and politics get hit. New type of awoxers rise.

- Assuming most of the structure shooting is out, what happens to POCO's? Will the new system be implemented on their ownership switching also?

- Jump Bridges need more explanation for their status during the change of hands of the solar system.

- In stations, when having a research/manufacturing job(or in POS'es manufacturing a capital) the station changes hands, and new owner set crazy tax on indy works, what happens to the active jobs?

Thanks,


Good or bad, change is always good on the long run.

You are making holding space into even more of a chore than it already is. Why would I continue to hold space? Why wouldn't I just move all my stuff into Serpentis Prime and grief any poor fools who want to try to own space to the point where they quit?

My only option is to join a group so large and well-organized that I don't have to worry about multiple objectives spread across a number of constellations.

Forget having a small corp with thirty active pilots in each timezone and trying to hold a home by having loose friendships with some of your neighbors to help out if 100-200 hostiles show up. The occasional alarm clock op is way preferable to "max dudes logged in during prime time every night until the server shuts down. Scouts in every system. Oh, and you bitches better be ratting constantly and mining too! But we'll all use Vexors so it doesn't matter if we get hotdropped by the permanent AFK cloaky."

Forget having to commit meaningful resources to take space from someone. It was bad enough that we could grind structures with stealth bombers. Now we can do it with other cheap ships and evade and harass until the defender just get sick of it and leaves.

This version of Eve will not be fun.
Step 1: AFK cloak until system index goes down.
Step 2: blue ball harassment with cheap fleets until your opponent stops logging in. No good fights because there is nothing the attacker must commit or risk. The defender just has to screw up once or lose morale very briefly and he's done.
Step 3: Everything everyone invested in their Eve home goes poof. All those upgrades gone. If you are away for the weekend, everything in your station is lost.
Step 4: gloat over the charred wasteland and wonder why there used to be 50k people online and now there are 15-20k.

This gets worse once you listen to the people who live in HS, LS, and NPC null and make the stations destructible. The people who love this idea are the people who don't give a **** about owning space or having a 0.0 home.

What are Supercapitals and capitals good for now? Defending the money moons, which will be the only thing worth owning once everything is slashed and burned. But good luck getting started with that, because you won't have the security to build your own Supercapitals (unless you are already capable of doing it).

End result:
1. Buffs to largest, best-organized entities
2. Buffs to nomadic super capital rich groups
3. Buffs to NPC 0.0 and their afk cloaky hotdrop tactics
4. No real incentive to build anything long term or meaningful in 0.0
5. Anyone with a family or life either has 10000 friends or leaves 0.0
6. 0.0 space becomes even more empty and less interesting

WH space has greater reward for your greater risk. Far greater than that of the typically null player, which right now is in line with a high sec incursion runner.

Local chat is not as great of a safety net as you all like to pretend it is. Last I checked local didn't tell you who was several jumps over in a BLOPs nor if that player has a cyno equip. But WH space also doesn't have to fear getting hot dropped as they do not typically have that many solo activities. Making their only true threat a sizable gang crashing their party.

That aside these changes now allow that cloaky camper to now also possibly be wielding a module that can cripple your system if you are not on constant guard all on his own. This is far too much power for a single player to wield against the sovereignty of hundreds.
And may I add, please get the idea that local is going anywhere out of your heads. You're literally ~12 years too late for that complaint. GET OVER IT! It's seriously like nails on a chalkboard when that is used for a reason supporting an imbalanced activity with no reasonable counter.


If CCP wants to release anything remotely close to this they have a few issues they need to address:
1) Ship hull restrictions for this new module (BC/BS/cap only) something that is actually vulnerable to attack and not likely to just waltz into your space on a whim

2) Make player want to spread out. Alliance may want more sov to save on pos fuel, but convince their player base to go rat/mine in that 0.0 - -0.5 system next to an populated npc system. RISK vs REWARD
---In other words rework true sec before you rework sov mechanics, or put them in the same patch at the very least.

3) Putting in place a reasonable counter to cloak mechanics that requires both parties to pay attention and interact. EX: pos mod pulse that disables cloak for x time with y cd. Or something along those lines... There are far better ideas I'm sure that both parties can agree to.

4) Give some actual advantages to holding sov, give the player a reason to fight. Possibly give indices more of a purpose:
-lower all structure HP to start, military now gives a small passive omni resist bonus to all structures/ships in system giving structures slightly more EHP at lvl 5 than we currently see.
-industry now increases copy/build job speeds / refine rates done in system
Those are just examples but you see those bonuses have meaning at the player level, not just alliance.

I don't agree with all of the aforementioned changes although I think the overall concept of small gang and or smaller fleet sov warfare is good although the inidcies being plagued by afk cloaky red campers is ****. As far the other changes I need to delve into the murky waters once more and see how I feel about them.

Hello CCP,


So first I want to say thank you for all your hard work & dedication. I really like new release cadence , clear roadmap & bold changes. I am and the community should be really grateful for Seagull's amazing leadership. My first impressions of the sov system are favorable. I see where you want to go and what motivated you to create this system. I think it will create a chance for a very dynamic and entertaining experience. It is also clear this system will be flexible enough to make iteration easy. I do however have some questions , feedback & advice. So I will start with some initial questions.


I feel like the 4 hour window is to short. (I would recommend 6)

Will sov cost reduce or increase with Indices? ( If not you are missing the boat )

Besides the name on the map why would anyone choose to move to nullsec? ( Incursions , level 5's already offer more isk per hour than nullsec. )

How does all the Risk of Living in Nullsec compare to the rewards of other safer areas in Eve?

Supercapital Role ?

Where do the Command Nodes spawn for someone that just controls a single system or 2?

The scoring system was a little vague on command nodes. Is it win by 10/win by 1 over 10?

Can a ship cloak or have a cloak fit with a Entosis fit? ( I hope not)

How many M3 is the Entosis module? (hopefully very large so AFK Cloakers can't just refit one.

AFK Cloaking?


Now let me play game designer if I may. I would use this system along with the Phoebe jump changes. With a few changes and additions. Entosis cycle would be affected by TIDI and would not be able to be activated by a ship in Bastion , Triage or Siege. Sov cost would have a base median value and indices would gain negative values. Meaning @ 0 use they would slowly dip towards negative indices values. The lower the negative value of indices the more expensive the sov bill. The higher the value of positive indices the cheaper the sov bill. Furthermore sovereignty owned by an alliance not connected to the main body of sov would have a premium charge ( a fixed % increase over base sov cost ).

Next I would seek to create incentives for people to reside in nullsec. One of the biggest is the ability to be self sustaining via local resources. I would then give the orca , jump freighter , bowhead & rorqual the same fatigue as other ships. I would reduce the JF range of that to all other ships. Doing this would make nullsec so much healthier. A real sense of community when the welfare & supply of the alliance is shared by all. Instead of what we currently have " A few guys and some cynos whisking off to Jita to procure everything players need" When you do this you end up with more players in space doing things to supply the alliance and its members with all the goods and materials they need to function.

Furthermore this makes attrition style warfare real. It also adds to the dynamics of living in nullsec. It answers the question of what do "off prime time players do"? Raiding and interfering with groups logistical and production efforts now has real and meaningful ramifications. Defending against those who would seek to raid also has important value. No longer are PVP'rs the end all be all of alliance members. In a nullsec where the chord to easy supply ( Jita) is severed productionist , logisticians , miners now have a important role in nullsec which leads to a more inclusive dynamic atmosphere in alliance culture.

It's means empire bordering nullsec regions now have new and unique value that due to the Jump Freighter became unimportant years ago. Conversely deeper remote regions with great riches have unique value due to higher abundance of resources. This all adds to reasons for people in space doing things. Reasons for conquest reasons for defense.

WIth attrition style warfare , Jump Fatigue & Sov 3.0 think about all the dynamics of conquest and defense. Questions like:

Where is my beachhead?
What's the geography around my beachhead?
What is the makeup of my target and what is their primetime?
Who are their friends? What force do they have at their disposal?
What kind of infrastructure do they have in place? ( stations , pos , jb's , beacons , ihub upgrades )
What kind of stockpiles & provisions do they have?
What is there logistical and production capabilities? ( can they sustain a siege via local production )
What are my stockpiles and provisions?
What capacity to I have to sustain siege?

These are some of the things you would have to consider. Once you do you can make a plan with multiple ways to approach conquest. One of my favorite scenarios is facing a stronger opponent. A opponent dug in with lots of infrastructure. The thought of a slow burn campaign with interdiction and denial being the initial phase. Reducing logistical and production capabilities of the mark while whittling down reserve stockpiles via combat. Pushing the mark into a situation slowly and carefully where the giant is now at the disadvantage. Taking their resources and using them to augment your production capabilities truly a double edged sword. A very exciting and dynamic environment.

@CCP an word of caution. I see CCP using metrics with a degree of ambiguity to re enforce a pre-conceived notion. This is called confirmation bias. A example of this was the recent blog over the Ishtar nerf. There was a graph showing all the ships and their usage and damage. In this graph it showed battleships in a great place. Not to overpowered but able to project decent damage their hull size and investment. In reality however this could not be further from truth. So please rethink some of these metrics with graphs because always the devil is in the details.