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Your original statement was about the Jumpnerf changes announced in September 2014 causing decreased player counts...

http://imgur.com/KuPaWqk

Please go do a handstand, I might get more sense from your other end.

I haven't read any other responses. Phase two sounds pretty slick.

The problem is that it doesn't address one of the underlying problems of null. WHY? What are we fighting for, what is the value of what we are fighting for.

Why fight for it when as a grunt who relies on pve for income I can just do faction warfare missions or wormhole stuff or lvls and incursions in high sec. Nothing you (CCP) does will have an effect to you address the why that in the past was nerf and created the 'renter's desert' that null became.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/those-anomaly-changes-in-full/

That didn't cause the desert (Dominion did) but it accelerated it. There needs to be a fundamental change in how null sec isk making/income/wealth generation works before anything else. While null generates a lot of isk and a good amount of wealth in the form of deadspace modules and implants, there are WAY better ways in EVE to make individual isk.

Until that's addressed and while the average null system can't accommodate more than a handful of people at one time, no amount of "Entosis based gameplay's going to matter. Null will continue to be the "Game of Thrones who gets to be LANDLORD" rather than something people do just for the fun of it.

ok dident read all the pages here so i dont know if this have been asked and answered so here i go. with these new changes and removal of the stargate blockade units. it looks like stargates ahve nothing to do with sov anymore. so my question is. can we capture wormholes with these changes?

Lots of gsf tears on this thread. Can certainly understand why high level players would be upset as they have put in a lot of work and meta gaming to get where they are. My personal views on this change:

What's the incentive?

The incentive is for players to actually think for themselves and increase content. I dunno perhaps maybe control an r64 of their own? Perhaps get actual fights instead of blobbing with a safety net of supers?

I was a member of an alliance and you guys literally spent 8 weeks camping us so you could possibly get 1 super kill. Doesn't sound like there is much content for your membership under the blue doughnut regime. The current mechanics provides no incentive for anyone to move in to null sec.Do you call chasing timers and fighting for OTHER People's moons and isk content? Maybe for peons who want eve spoon fed to them sure. Not to mention the vast blue balling and arrogant nature of care bears who pay for a protection racket and sit in station and wait for their masters to come save them. Sure there is plenty of incentive for players to try null sec.

The incentive for living in null sec (under the proposed changes) iis a better game experience plain and simple.

The argument of: increasing system value to support more player.

the whole point of these changes are to spread people out and make.your blobs less viable. You wanna control so much space? Kudos to you but now you gotta spread your members out to do it. I know you would love to create impenetrable systems to sit and grind in your supers all day with no risk... but ya CCP and the player base already saw that coming.

for what it'd worth your leaders won the game, everyone recognizes it but in doing so it also destroyed the attraction and viability to garner new players and keep active players engaged. You will still be powerful and rich and who knows it may even make you better since your f1 monkeys will have to learn.


I agree that simultaneously with the changes that their should be 1 incentive to move to null sec. That incentive would be to greatly reduce income potential in hi sec.

Is this real life??

I dont normally reply to things going on in eve, but I know feel that I must CCP get your prioritys right you first need to sort out the mess you call high sec new players pay to play then have to pay a ganking alliance or corp to rat mission run mine whatever , before looking at Nul sec sort the basics out and maybe new player wont leave faster than they are joining . Has to capital ships players have trained for months if not years to fly them and then you come along and nerf the hell out of them and the only compensation you give those players are further nerfing , if you want to nerf something look at the new strategic destroyers ur bringing in so over powered its unbelievable.
No more fixing things that dont need fixing look at the basics that do high sec and over powered ships and players in high sec not having to pay twice to play this game.

I see we're completely skipping the 'make Sov worthwhile to hold and fight over' part of the revamp.

brb, drafting an unironic 'bring back POS warfare' post

Yeah... because they are called alt coffins out of love, right? Just because people do a thing out of necessity doesn't mean we enjoy having our "never login use only in case of emergency stuck in a super alt". I would happily live in an EVE where supers are mostly irrelevant to sov/null PvP and become the domain of people wanting to PvE in the absolute height of self-grandiosity. Nullbears are fine with AFK ratting carriers and ishtars, it's kinda funny to pretend the fate of supers should (or even could) be anything different.

Re: Problem: Command Node - and a Successful Defense


It seems inherently unfair that if a Defender successfully defends their sov and captures the requisite command nodes - that they get ZERO break, and that the vulnerability is not delayed for the defender.

Their litterally forced to be under CTA conditions at all times every day - particularly every day a Main Event might get triggered - let alone the main event itself....

I thought the idea was to spread out Sov warfare...

Perhaps, if a defender is successfull in their defense they can be rewarded for the defense by getting an invlunerability bonus for a fixed period of time --- same of course for a successful attack.

That any counter attack is delayed - and a potential attacker/invader will have to reconsider their startegy or go after another constellation.

Why? Because Sov Trolls will totally become a thing, and a small group faking a sov take over every day day after day is beyond annoying...

I think this will be the sov system to kill nullsec once and for all

I mean structure grinding is boring but when the only idea is to turn it into a mixture of FW sites and capture the flag you know the goose is cooked.

Considering pretty much the only 3 good sources of income in nullsec are anoms/plexs (Mostly just the escalations and DED plexs), PI, and moon mining; There isn't much point to hold space when anyone can come along and take it using a band of interceptors like mentioned before. At this rate you might as well set all Sov nullsec to npc space and outposts to npc stations, cause that is where it is headed.