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Dev blog: Politics by Other Means: Sovereignty Phase Two

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2015-03-03 16:31:33 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
In other words, welcome to the EVE Cold War: if you're not part of the CFC bloc or the N3 block, you will be sent back to Jita in an afternoon.


Tell us exactly how it's any different now?


Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
MiliasColds
Strategic Incompetence
Blue Sun Interstellar Technologies
#122 - 2015-03-03 16:31:42 UTC
Angry Mustache wrote:
Here's an idea, what if they were battleships only.

It would give battleships a reason to be flown, and not make sov into a giant game of "catch the ceptor"


if he can't warp off he's far more catchable, like with a loki :P
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#123 - 2015-03-03 16:31:57 UTC
Amazing, simply awesome. I really like the look of all these changes and look forward to them immensely.


I will say this, I really want to see some manner of descriptive Sov come to wormhole space. I'm not saying we should be able to build stations or supercapitals, or other balance breaking things which would make us completely impossible to remove from a system. But at the same time, the occupants of the average wormhole system put way more time and effort into their specific system then the owners of most sov null systems. The new sov system is descriptive, it goes off of a 'you get out of a system what you put into it' perspective, which I like a lot. But I definitely think we wormholers have put enough into our systems that we deserve to be able to put up flags saying the system is ours.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Cheyennes
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2015-03-03 16:32:26 UTC
MiliasColds wrote:
a note for out of timezone players (from declared prime time)

you still raise indices which makes things easier to defend.
you can still help with capture events that are ongoing past prime time.
you can be useful attacking other alliances whose prime time aligns with your TZ
you can assist allies
you can contribute to general logistics
you can attrack and reinforces POS and stations services

doesn't seem like nothing to me


In other words, you are relegated to all the crap work, while the rest of eve enjoys PvP..... No thanks
Ix Method
Doomheim
#125 - 2015-03-03 16:32:36 UTC
I yield to null types in their opinions of this as a sov system but as concepts that could be extended/expanded to suit other parts of space some of this is really pretty awesome.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2015-03-03 16:33:09 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
In other words, welcome to the EVE Cold War: if you're not part of the CFC bloc or the N3 block, you will be sent back to Jita in an afternoon.


Tell us exactly how it's any different now?




Provibloc still exists now.
MiliasColds
Strategic Incompetence
Blue Sun Interstellar Technologies
#127 - 2015-03-03 16:33:46 UTC
Cheyennes wrote:
MiliasColds wrote:
a note for out of timezone players (from declared prime time)

you still raise indices which makes things easier to defend.
you can still help with capture events that are ongoing past prime time.
you can be useful attacking other alliances whose prime time aligns with your TZ
you can assist allies
you can contribute to general logistics
you can attrack and reinforces POS and stations services

doesn't seem like nothing to me


In other words, you are relegated to all the crap work, while the rest of eve enjoys PvP..... No thanks


none of those things are PVP immune......
Proton Stars
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2015-03-03 16:34:19 UTC
well i've no reason to have my 0.0 characters anymore. I can sell my isk making toons and be a super rich frigate pilot and save £70 a month on accounts, so good on that respect.

Bad because there will be no narrative to the combat in 0.0, its become world of tanks in space with lots of not really connected instance fights that will be between frigates and ships not really worth hunting. Im glad that CCp kept with its tradition of not actually thinking about the value of gameplay and instead decided that a t1 frigate must be able to do everything
Bonzair
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2015-03-03 16:34:19 UTC
you will loose a lot of people. again.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#130 - 2015-03-03 16:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselFinance
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
In other words, welcome to the EVE Cold War: if you're not part of the CFC bloc or the N3 block, you will be sent back to Jita in an afternoon.


Tell us exactly how it's any different now?




i have to commit to grinding about a billion EHP if i want to steamroll providence for funsies today

with this i can do it in a few days with subcap fleets

it's not MUCH worse since it's already quite bad but when you're trying to fix a problem and actually make it worse, you sure didn't think things through
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-03-03 16:35:23 UTC
take the moons

**** the sov

let it burn
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#132 - 2015-03-03 16:36:50 UTC
Summer of Rage 2.0 ?

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2015-03-03 16:37:22 UTC
ok before anyone else freekin says it, point me to the damn ceptor that can target out to 250km.
Gypsien Agittain
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2015-03-03 16:37:44 UTC
Proton Stars wrote:
well i've no reason to have my 0.0 characters anymore. I can sell my isk making toons and be a super rich frigate pilot and save £70 a month on accounts, so good on that respect.

Bad because there will be no narrative to the combat in 0.0, its become world of tanks in space with lots of not really connected instance fights that will be between frigates and ships not really worth hunting. Im glad that CCp kept with its tradition of not actually thinking about the value of gameplay and instead decided that a t1 frigate must be able to do everything



And frigate pilots will fly to Elite Dangerous and Scam Citizen, and when they want to attract people back to the game with capital ships, what bringed most of the player base to EVE, it'd be too late.
iP0D
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2015-03-03 16:37:58 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
iP0D wrote:
Also, it's absolutely ironic to see what spills over now and from where. Advocate stakeholders hurray.

At this point I feel like I should just tag every CSM and ex-CSM member with "shill".


You wouldn't be wrong :P Regardless of whether willing or just too deep in this or that trench.

Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2015-03-03 16:38:11 UTC
MiliasColds wrote:
a note for out of timezone players (from declared prime time)

you still raise indices which makes things easier to defend.
you can still help with capture events that are ongoing past prime time.
you can be useful attacking other alliances whose prime time aligns with your TZ
you can assist allies
you can contribute to general logistics
you can attrack and reinforces POS and stations services

doesn't seem like nothing to me


So I can PvE farm which might add a few seconds to a capture timer (oh joy)

In the event that my EU alliance is so bad that things are still going on 6 hours later when I get home in US time, I can join in (heh)

I can go help other people that... oh wait the subject was participating with the defense for MY alliance, not the sprawling blue blob which this does nowhere near enough to discourage.

I can contribute to general logistics... OH joy! Instead of being a PvP'r, I'm now relegated to space truck.

POS warfare is cancer. And attacking enemy station services is A: only irritating, B: extremely temporary, C: doesn't actually help my side in a defensive war.
Coelomate
Gilliomate Corp
#137 - 2015-03-03 16:38:21 UTC
Looks like an amazing start, although waiting for June killed a little bit of my joy.

My first major concern: The measurement of occupancy looks like it just takes the current system, which as far as I know means no credit for PVP or market activity - two things that actually happen in heavily occupied nullsec.

Love,

~Coelomate
W Sherman Elric
Argentum Holdings
#138 - 2015-03-03 16:38:27 UTC
So lets say cfc owns the ihub BL owns the TCU and CVA owns the station who gets the defensive bonus? Next is the ship multiplier just going to be applied to caps and larger? If I read that right a cap could take up to 160 min to create a timer.
Brain Gehirn
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#139 - 2015-03-03 16:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Brain Gehirn
"Hey guys, see that shinny ship blinking? alpha it."
- System is good. Everyone dock.


... or just bring a triage carrier fitting the module. as anything else is going to die anyway before the cycle ends.




Harassment is getting a new level.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2015-03-03 16:38:45 UTC
Sooooooo the only reason not to use the vastly superior T2 entosis link is price. I think you need to make it more expensive than 80M, that's still cheap for what it does, especially considering the benefits of the range.