Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While I don't exactly disagree - that is an over simplified way to look at it i.e. while some people operate out of the same system doing it over and over some bounce around a region never doing it from one place for very long or as in another case following conflict or other events like thera exits.

If the people doing it are using the more common techniques then plotting revenge is largely a waste of time at the most you might force them to move system prematurely though you might catch the more careless ones.

One of my corp members has this Idea. I proposed a Sov Upgrade. Corp member propsed to have an Anchorable Structure for "SKYNET"
This is another tactiful method that can be introduced. You can incap this structure therefore negating Deligation of Fighters in the system.
Also, Let's not forget you can ONLY deligate FIGHTERS, not FIGHTER BOMBERS. So therefore, the DPS isn't much. Even with 4 DDM's, You can get more close to that DPS out of an ISHTAR and Battleship or even more.

LIke everyone has said, Deligation is a Carrier FEATURE. You take that away because you have players who are complaining they are losing too much isk to that Feature/Tactic? Come one CCP!!. THIS IS EVE! !!!!

HARDEN THE F*** UP!!!!

Rise, if you keep on removing everything that is broken and gimmicky about Eve, you will eventually end up with a game that is neither broken nor gimmicky.

Assigned fighters are pretty ridiculous. It allows adding 500 DPS to any random ship, and two of them at a time from a single carrier, which will double the damage output of most cruisers, never mind smaller tackle stuff. Meanwhile, the carrier is barely at risk. In fact, it's sufficiently not-at-risk that you can afford to fit all damage and tracking mods.

Following fighters are the kind of thing that's funny for the user and really not fun for the target. I'm sorta okay with them, but they have warp-following skills that any interceptor pilot would envy, and a few fighters can destroy a cruiser (which they match in warpspeed and always get the right warpin) in only a couple volleys. You can't even warp to a safe because they will find you there.

Fighter warping I'm sort of ambivalent about. Given how expensive everything involved is, I like knowing that I can warp off field without having to recall my drones, because they'll catch up with me. On the other hand, I'd understand if you wanted to make "we pulled the warp drives out of the fighters" the explanation for why they can no longer perfectly predict where you're warping to and arriving there with you. I'd prefer keeping that feature, but it's a peace of mind thing, mostly.

This is true. Hence why a corpmate suggested it be a POS Anchorable Structure. Which is usable in WH space as well.

I'm not a cap pilot, I haven't fought in Large fleet battles and only know of Fighters and what they do because i found two idle at a gate to high sec once. But from a new player perspective -- someone who has had to change his skill goals so many times because of 'Balance Changes' and new direction of game play. I see many ways to do PvP and combat that older players I have talked to haven't considered because of the forest in the trees problem, New players bring fresh ideas and THAT is where new game play should be coming from . from ideas no one has thought of yet, but using existing mechanics....

I'm in a group of players who brainstorm ways to play, constantly ridiculed by the vets cause 'the game isnt played that way' yet these ideas work and we have fun thinking them up and trying them out. yet I am personally becoming very frustrated over how much time I'm wasting trying to train to be able to use these new combat concepts because over and over -- you make changes which kill the ability to use them before we even get started using them. nipping in the bud the ideas that fresh New players -- who figure out on their own ways to play -- many of which are new -- all just to have it dissapear as you move to satisfy the older veteran players.

If your goal is to keep the old player base happy and chase away the newer players with frustration. its achieved,

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Keep Drone Assisted AS IS, make it even better by allowing those assisted more control of the drones (make it a module on that ship if u must).

If having a large cap hide i behind a Pos shield is a problem? then get rid of that problem. Make them come out. They are too easy to find? (or some poor underpaid alt - like me - who sits cloaked at towers for hours on end just to spot a cap go online and calls for BLOP drop) and suddenly a small fight escalates into a bigger fight to kill the carrier? Wahoo YES!

K.I.S.S. - Make the caps come out! but think bigger CCP, ADD game play - not continuous TAKE IT AWAY.

Right now the lore has in it, a race that has new cloaking tech, find some wreckage and redesign it to a new mod for carriers that allows them to play in normal space. Maybe they will warp to a safe spot after assisting drones and activate it. This mod could scramble combat probes so they cant be found in under 30 seconds, maybe it will only give a warp-in that is like 300-1000k away, so anyone trying to find it will have to slowboat to it. give it a chance to warp off to a new spot. OOooo a capital chase, NICE! Possibly even have the drones go dormant for the time its in warp. OOooo another new combat factor to play with! Fighters warping after ships could get lost and now u have to go salvage them, or the enemy may learn to time jumping a hidden cap at the right moment and it could turn the tide of a battle. OOooo,

Wait is that a new combat idea? Using Tactics instead of F1 Blobbing?. Naw it would never fly.

GET CREATIVE CCP expand game-play not shrink it ---- and stop killing off all my good fresh and new ideas before I even get a chance to use them.

You removed content, you removed a play style.....please focus on adding content.

I'm not sure that such nerf of carriers increase their involvement in pvp (as victims on npc hunt , at best).
But I'm sure that is one more step to dominant concept "small and cheap easy kill a large and expensive" - like well-established popular format of the interceptors gangs.

So, in these conditions - why do I need (expensive and long time studied) a carrier or supercarrier? Best healing structures or powerblocs mass-pvp with over 4000 local and terrible lags?
Oh... No, thanks.



Yep. Next-gen total pvp of EVE: mass fleets of frigates and destroyers - it's fast, cheap and effectively.

P.S.
Just try make a comeback fighters from assist target to carrier when assistant destroyed - without chasing target by fighters.

Why just remove fighter assist?
Why not make it so that fighter when assigned to, lets say a vexor, then takes up drone bandwidth on both the carrier and the assigned ship. So the vexor could only be assigned and control 3 fighters(meaning he can't launch his drones, and if his drones are already out they can't be assigned to him) this making coordination within fleets important, instead of lets assign 100 fighter to that interceptor.

I Like these ideas too. Also could make it so u can only send drones to assist a ship that has a drone assist control module installed?