Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here is how I think this mechanic should work:
1) I agree that assisting should only happen while carriers are certain distance from a station or POS. It could be chopped up to something like: "The use of long range drone antennas is hazardous to normal and safe operations of nearby structures.".
2) To prevent carriers from just being aligned and warping at the first sign of trouble, that they cant warp until their drones/fighters return. Which to help carrier pilots would happen automatically and would alert the pilot by displaying that the ship is awaiting their return. This could however be overwritten by abandoning them. This would require fighters to have proper warp mechanics.
3) Finally, assisted drones/fighters get no off-grid bonuses.

TL;DR Drone assist needs to be change not removed. Fighter warp should stay but with better warp mechanics.

CCP Rise............

25 pages of feedback. Do you think it's time for a comment from you yet ?

Or is it yet another situation where you make an ill-thought out change and just leave it ?

Hey to all Cap pilots,

@ my Point off view i am still fine with the change to assist fighters to very small ships.

But let the carrier pilots the decision between:


Sentries ( Max i$k / per tick and higher risk because of standing still in an anom. )

Fighters ( Less i$k / per tick and still allined to a safe spot. Faster warp off if needed. )


The pay out between these two ratting styles are for me:

With normal T 2 Fittings and all skills @ min lvl 4 and a few @ 5


sentries: 30 m - 45 m / per tick

Fighter: 20 m - 30 m / per tick (fighters lvl 5) for the frigates you have to swith to drones and that ruines the pay out.


So dear CCP if you change the fighters this way their is no reason to rat with fighters anymore.

Why would i risk 10-14 fighters for 25 mill each ( ca.250 mill at all.) When i have to warp off the anom and let the 250 mill behind.

If that happens everyone will use heavys they are much cheaper and it didn´t hurt so much if you let them behind.

Or you will only see sentry carriers at all.



Sry for my english ( not my first language )

pls don`t be a wiseacre and tell how much you rat with your carriers ( It was a example and i fly with 2 carriers
Chimera / Nid @ the same time. So it can be that i am not fly 100 % effective)

Fly safe


See you in Null space

Seems very logical and still give the fighter some of its uniqueness whilst not completely screwing over every carrier.

so what in your eyes is not broken in that game if u think assigning fighters or even the carrier itself is a broken meta. if carriers are broken as u say its better to remove them from game entirly, right??
Stupid!!!

its nice all those whiners that complain "i and 10 other friends of mine visited someone in his own space and he killed me bad intruders".
defenders should have an upper hand and even if not? why u as intruder dont bring ur own capitals to make u take the win? or just bring 20-30 ppl. cause even a frig, cruise or whatever with fightersupport of a mothership cant stand 20 ppl with a proper composition.

ITT: Lots of people who don't own carriers or supercarriers and are totally unfamiliar with the mechanics of using them.

I can't even decipher that but I'm pretty sure that any and all comments worth considering have been posted and liekd on the first page. The thing I quoted - I don't even... is that about fighter assists?

You is also a word written with three letters and not with one. Thanks.



EDIT: Wonder why it works (displays correctly) now ...

This. Even more so: If your car stops every time it rains, do you take it to a car mechanic to fix it or just just blow your car up and travel by bus/train from there on?

I would advise against these changes. I understand that carriers fighter assist annoys people alot, but its what makes fighters and carriers unique.
This plus the fact that if a carrier is to assist his fleet with fighters, he needs to be undocked and not in POS. Meaning he can be attacked. So a good fleet can scan down the carrier and kill him.

Back when I was but a young capsuleer and these new Carriers appeared I recall shipping out from Misaba with a convoy (which was probably the Egg for what became The IAC Distillery...
CVA were there to see us off but there had been some pirate activity and noone wanted those nasty pirates to see what we were doing. I recall seeing a couple of the CVA patrol vessels being escorted by a pair of fighters and thinking it was amazingly cool (I believe to the point that my camera drone snapped back to my own ship as they warped out and I realised I should probably be doing something... Did I need to align to something? maybe? (and this was the days of double click aligning)).

Like many other things however the useful force multiplier was picked up and applied to the Nth degree and shifted from cool to problem...

The great strength of carriers (in the real world and in EVE) is that they are uniquely able to project force "beyond the horizon" and I think it would be disappointing to lose that ability entirely. I'd like to retain the "cool" from way back - the small scale projection, the low grade force multiplier - if that is possible.
Fighters are long ranged craft, they have their own warp drives and therefore must have their own fluid router communications (which we know are controlled by CONCORD); what if they were limited by the fluid router bandwidth they had access to in any given system - say 20 fighters assigned per system?
If fighter assignation were also limited to 2 per ship (like the Guristas vessels) might that significantly reduce the problem of assigned fighters, significantly increase the workload of the assigning character (reducing the chance that two alts would fill the roster 23/7) while not losing the cool factor from the early days of capitals?

Of course people would attempt to lock out hostiles by filling the system cap with their own fighters but should one of their carriers be forced into Triage bandwidth is freed and with every fighter downed the attackers could assign one of their own (if that's their aim).