Missions & Complexes

Yeah, it is like with every PvE activity in EvE, once it starts to get a "profession" an important factor is efficiency and ISK/h. Non-combat exploration as an income source imo is in a unique position, as it creates decent ISK with very low risk and by providing some fun gameplay at the same time. I'm looking forward to the changes (and I'm in a more positive mood about as I was when I wrote the comment ), and the new numbers are great, cause they support the hacking flow and the way of thinking.

But at the end of the day, all fun and romantic feelings put aside, PvE in EvE is there to raise the ISK you can burn elsewhere which is rated by ISK/h.

Can we at least get the sites to de-spawn after there is no more loot. I've been to multiple sites where there are only empty cans remaining. Still un-hacked, but empty.

I find most aspects of the current system rather silly in the sense that the depiction of "hacking" is something you can do ad hoc with some fancy graphical interface starting with zero knowledge and tools, similar to the often even more silly depictions in movies and TV shows. Especially when you have some computer science or programming background you would expect something different.

I accept that it should be something like a minigame. Just activating your module and waiting for the loot to appear is kind of boring and too similar to mining.

But first I would appreciate a smaller/resizable interface.

Second I would envision "hacking" more like a tower defense minigame:
Lets say we salvage the current layout of the minigame but you start with some tools instead of discovering good stuff (as a hacker you don't hack a computer and find suddenly on that computer a program that you can use to shut down the antivirus software, you bring that yourself). The amount and power of these tools depends on skills and skilllevels and/or modules.

• For example you start with two port scanners, a rootkit (use to make one of your tools invisible) and a few different types of viruses/malware (insert fancy names for them).
• You place these tools like towers in discovered areas (nodes in the current layout), you start on one side of the "map".
• Port scanners unveil nodes one by one each round automatically.
• If the port scanner is detected, i.e. gameplay: You unveil a node with a defense system, this defense system sends out "minions" (defense routines) to attack your port scanners.
• Now you place your fancily named malware in the right place to spawn your own "minions" (attack routines) to overwhelm the defense system.
• Essentially you have to choose the right malware to attack specific types of defense systems and/or find the weak spot in the defense so that your "minions" reach the opposite side of the "map".
• Add optional goals (total annihilation / destroy all of certain type of defense system / don't lose any of your systems / win without using the rootkit / etc.) for additional loot in the cans.

edit: An even better idea than "minions" would be a system of control. In a radius around your "towers" you gain control while the enemy towers slow you down or even remove your control the more enemy systems activate. This would even be really simple to implement, just color the nodes and edges in the current interface differently according to control level. And the goal would be to position your tools so that at some point (the vulnerable one of the system) you gain enough control so you can break through the defense. Possibly bonus for not being detected.

i utterely dislike the new hacking system. its a horrible klickfest, please implement the automated hacker II's. or just make the module how it was before. the minigame does not add anything to the game except frustration.

How about not messing with exploration any more for a spell?

I have to agree that the mini-game is not cool. A lot of people undertook hacking and exploration as a semi-passive income when we had to do other things like study or work simultaneously saving our miniscule active game time for PVP & fun. This can;t be done anymore as CCP makes the game more and more against people having any passive income. This is a game that I got into because it was too complex for most warcraft folks to come to, and also allowed passive income generation to spend active time having fun in PVP. Both of those selling points for me are gone now.

It's a choice between 3 options and none of them are appealing to me.

1 - Leave EVE alltogether, stop paying money to them and in turn abandon all my friends I made in this game I used to love.

2 - Continue playing EVE, paying a sub, yet never feeling that I get any value out of it because all my time goes into making isk and moving assets around to prepare for PVP I never get to take part in.

3 - Continue playing and paying, forget PVP and fun, and simply have a social environment that allows practice making spreadsheets and playing markets.

Sadly, I go with option 3 because there is nothing else, but this eve is not the eve that captured my attention, drew me in, and captivated me for the darkest years of my life. That old eve got me through some tough stuff IRL and now it is not the thing I grew to love anymore

make them immune to cargo scanners :D

They add new mechanism to hacking few patches ago. Now we have bigger impact where do we want to go on grid. Reduced clicking a lot. As for improving whole thing CCP Bayesian had some aces in the sleeve, not all features were implemented at day 1 as far as i know. It's fine imo, if i can hack +15 devices/cans in sleeper cache and don't vomit it's good.

I think it would be good option for those who don't want to hack actively. I can hack a can in 15-20 sec, 3 min is enough for passive activity. Chance based ofc.

About cargo scanning, i think i will change side and vote for no removing it.

3 minutes is hilarious. a hacking attempt should take no longer than maybe 15 seconds!

Why don't all you people who hate hacking maybe........................DONT DO IT?

There's plenty of other ways of making money in this game, if you don't like the minigame nobody is forcing you to do it.

Exploration should have risk associated with it, it's not some cash cow you can just milk without consequence.