Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, let's not confuse people.

First, I am not seeking easy kills.
You have ironically mis-identified me as a direct PvP-combat centric player.

I'm the guy in the exhumer. (Mining barge if the conditions dictate)

Now, I have flown my share of sorties into hostile sov territory, and I know from direct experience how the miners react, when not caught off-guard.

Whether or not I had a cyno available means nothing. People assumed I did.
I brought a snowball launcher. Could not resist.

PvE players do not bend. They re-ship, and become PvP players.
OR, they pretend they don't want to undock, and become fascinated by the market.

And for those who do AFK Cloak, how do you equate sitting around for hours on end, to being a part of an easy kill?
If it is so easy, go guard some PvE players for that long, when the unknown stalks their local chat channel....

At least you can pop a few rats while you wait.

The other side is given the exact same intel mechanics as you are. So this is more of an "issue" than an issue. I would argue that watchlists are worse in this respect, as they are given for free and disregard geography. Cyno is another story but, as you pointed out, fatigue goes a long way to balance it (and allows for further tweaks if need be).

Nikk you're giving away your alt by having similar typing styles.

Look simple truth of this all is.

There is a flaw in cloak. For the most part it works fine but in situations like "AFK camping" it is and can be abused and it offers 100% immunity to any defensive actions of the people in the system with the camper. This is a flaw.

You can talk about balance, or local, or how cloak is a crutch or anything like that but it's all fluff.

Most everyone that has offered a change to cloak and offered a change to local as well.

I am perfectly ok with the idea of removing all intel from local by stripping away the ability to look at pilot info and removing colors from the local tab. Just names and chat. If you wish to look at a players info you need to use the computers in a station or POS.

In exchange. Either putting cloak on a timer, making a new probe to scan for stealth ship, using fuel or some of the other ideas. Friend suggested putting the cloak on a normal recycle rate, so that it's always on, but even cycle increases the cap usage. Eventually you run out of cap if you just sit around cloaked. Thought it was a pretty neat idea.

Agree or disagree. That's fine. I have yet to see an argument that proves that the state of cloak, in regards to AFK cloaking, is acceptable and should stay the way it is.

I have however seen many arguments that show that AFK cloaking can be considered an issue and that some form of change would be good.

That's how I see things and I know many others that feel the same way.

We are not affiliated.




Lie of omission in 3, 2, 1...



It's not a flaw, when it is brought up that you deliberately ignored the fact that cloaking devices also prohibit you from taking any actual actions as long as they are engaged.




And all of those things are from self interest carebears, who want to farm free money without risk. Such a thing should always be rejected out of hand.

Well that might be true but I did find it interesting that Nikks and Delegate decided to say I was clouding the topic, and have been posting pretty much back to back.

Either way. If I am wrong. I am cool with being wrong.

I never ignored it. I personally believe the statement is just flat out wrong. It is a statement based around an overly literally interpretation of "AFK cloaking" as in believing that person is actually not there. I have clearly stated that gathering intel is just one action that a player can take. Another is the simple threat of a hot drop, which is a very valid threat given that covert ops and BlOps go hand in hand. So in this regard, you are simply wrong.



This statement is not entirely true. Everyone on the forums is arguing from a point of their own self interest, and I am sure some that would prefer to get free isk with no risk, however just because you dislike that style of player, it does not mean that their concerns are invalid.

I have personally stated that I do not wish for 100% null. My personal dislike of "AFK camping" is that I feel it is an unbalanced mechanic that allows a player to have 100% safety.

The ability to hotdrop is ok. But the ability to hotdrop and then withdraw at will is not ok. Hotdropping must be a commitment – also a time commitment – for the attacker. Otherwise its unbalanced.

And of course null won't be like wh, because your neighbors in null don't change overnight. Neither you scan chains in null. And you don't hold sov in your wormhole. So don't be afraid – they will be different places.

Oddly enough I believe the hit and run idea of a blops is the heart and soul of it but thats a different topic.

As for the delayed chat. I would be ok with it. However I think the local with no colors or intel would have almost the same effect as a cloaky camper. At first people would jump every time someone came in system. After a while people would just come to accept it. Thus names would just be names and only make it into intel channels if they blew someone up.

Not sure I agree, however if you adjust local. That's fine. What do you do about the cloak? You cant delay local and not make a change to cloak at the same time.

Solution: Give cloaks a one hour timer, where they have to be reactivated after one hour.