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Civilized discussion about the upcoming nerf to Awoxing.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#21 - 2015-01-19 04:13:21 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
This thing is going to be abused.

24 hours? Lol

What will a new player do, who finally got into a corp that seemd to fit and finds the button is set to ff when logging in for a previously announced corp event? Not undock? For how long? Leave the corp and start all over? Or believe what the corp leadership tells him and get the shiny new lvl4 mission battleship he saved up for raped?

Maybe we're going to see some interesting stories with this feature.

With the toggle, they're leaving open the possibility for awoxing to happen in a management-to-member manner, but this isn't something they'd need to fix with game mechanics anyway. A few months will pass and they'll put out some rule that classifies starting corporations in order to kill your members as "griefing," some of the existing offenders will get banned to set an example, and that will be the end of that. Similar to the bonus room thing.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#22 - 2015-01-19 04:17:14 UTC
I'm telling you right now that this 'feature' is not that hard of a work around for most.

Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Memphis Baas
#23 - 2015-01-19 04:24:52 UTC
I think we need to wait for the patch notes feedback thread and then post there, civilly or otherwise.
Serene Repose
#24 - 2015-01-19 04:29:41 UTC
The last thing high sec needs is players deciding what high sec needs. We're thoroughly infiltrated by WoW refugees.
LOOK! There's one now.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#25 - 2015-01-19 04:29:57 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
I think we need to wait for the patch notes feedback thread and then post there, civilly or otherwise.

The best time to have a discussion like this is before they become fully committed to doing something.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Memphis Baas
#26 - 2015-01-19 04:33:27 UTC
That's true, but they just lock the threads. Whereas the patch notes feedback thread they'll have to clean up, but leave open.

I think they know it's a hot topic. Probably going to go ahead and implement it anyway, even if it causes another Burn Jita. So in my opinion it doesn't matter if it continues to be discussed before it's implemented.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#27 - 2015-01-19 04:43:30 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:


I think they know it's a hot topic.


Four raging risk averse players does not make a hot topic. Just an amusing thread.

Don't be fooled. When three people over 30 pages have 70% of the posts, it's not hot. It's pathetic.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#28 - 2015-01-19 04:49:11 UTC
I have just purchased 100million isk worth of VENTURE GANKING INCURSUSes AND MODS. I WONT BE DOING IT in the protected rookie systems but god help any venture i see even in a 1.0

BURN THE VENTURES
BURN THE L1 MISSION FRIGS
BURN EM BABY

100mill gonna be well spent
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#29 - 2015-01-19 05:25:14 UTC
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#30 - 2015-01-19 05:31:50 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
If for some reason I wanted to utterly kill activity in lowsec and low-class wormholes, this is the one change I would have made.

More safety in highsec = more reason for the few people that carry out ISK generation activities in low/C1-3 to pack up and head to the higher rewards and lower risk of highsec.

Less prey in low/C1-3 = less opportunities for predators there.

Better areas in nullsec and high class WHs *probably* remain worth fighting over, but lesser quality space just got sledgehammered, hard.



Ned Thomas wrote:
We were daydreaming on comms over how we could use this to screw with people. The more I think about it, the more I'm looking forward to it.


I do have several ideas too, particularly plans for a campaign of utter terror against mission runners. Discussions will have to follow to see if it can be made a reality.


Wait,wait,wait
CCP just forced capitals to only be able to travel the through the galaxy quickly through the gate system if they wanted to go anywhere in a hurry. On top of that the only quick travel without getting bubble constantly is LO SEC.

This whole thread reads as a giant cry of people who don't wish to do work to find pvp.
Oh you had to do work, oh im sorry.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#31 - 2015-01-19 05:33:38 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.

Because something is "cowardly," doesn't mean that it should be "nerfed." Cowardice isn't a valid impetus for nerfs; balance is.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#32 - 2015-01-19 05:34:09 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.


I just zkilled you brag... you have 0 kills and 71 deaths... so either you are a bait alt or just bad. Funny if this is a lowslowse bait toon while you are preaching of manly pvp. Lol. Kinda hope you are just that bad but sure this is a lowsec bait alt telling people they are cowards at pvp...... are you joking dude?
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#33 - 2015-01-19 05:41:57 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.


I just zkilled you brag... you have 0 kills and 71 deaths... so either you are a bait alt or just bad. Funny if this is a lowslowse bait toon while you are preaching of manly pvp. Lol. Kinda hope you are just that bad but sure this is a lowsec bait alt telling people they are cowards at pvp...... are you joking dude?


Start a poll asking players if they call it legit pvp or being a coward.

Get ready to lose by a landslide.
Coward.
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#34 - 2015-01-19 05:46:14 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.


I just zkilled you brag... you have 0 kills and 71 deaths... so either you are a bait alt or just bad. Funny if this is a lowslowse bait toon while you are preaching of manly pvp. Lol. Kinda hope you are just that bad but sure this is a lowsec bait alt telling people they are cowards at pvp...... are you joking dude?


Start a poll asking players if they call it legit pvp or being a coward.

Get ready to lose by a landslide.
Coward.



POST ON YOUR MAIN COWARD CHICKENSHIt 0-71 loser
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#35 - 2015-01-19 05:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Start a poll asking players if they call it legit pvp or being a coward.

Get ready to lose by a landslide.
Coward.

Lot's of things are legit pvp, whether they are the form of pvp I personally chose to take part in or not.

No form of pvp is better or worse than any other. They are just different from the each other. Whether it's highsec station games, wardec mechanics, ganking, lowsec piracy, FW, nullsec fleets, etc.

All legit.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#36 - 2015-01-19 05:51:45 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Start a poll asking players if they call it legit pvp or being a coward.

Get ready to lose by a landslide.
Coward.

Lot's of things are legit pvp, whether they are the form of pvp I personally chose to play or not.

No form of pvp is better or worse than any other. They are just different from the each other. Whether it's highsec station games, wardec mechanics, ganking, lowsec piracy, FW, nullsec fleets, etc.

All legit.


I agree to that but no one whos a real pvpr would want to be associated with this type of pvp.

This is the lowest rung, right after they literally can't pvp, its joining a corp to shoot mining ships. Like you really need to be inside the corp to do that?

Real pvprs laugh at these people they aren't a threat to anyone, hell they wont stay in any corp long enough to be.

The only people they threaten are CCP and the bottom dollar by the players they drive off.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#37 - 2015-01-19 05:54:07 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
In all reality Awoxing is the lowest of the low hanging fruit of pvp.

Most pvprs do not wish to be associated with this type of pvp, because they have one word for it.
Cowardly.

Now you can take you cowardly pvp and call it game breaking, but lets face it, its highly unlikely.
Real pvprs will continue to find kills and lets face it more people will be more kills.

If you don't like nerfs then don't play, in fact, with more people coming it looks like we can afford to lose you.
While your at it, good luck finding a game that never nerfs anything.


I just zkilled you brag... you have 0 kills and 71 deaths... so either you are a bait alt or just bad. Funny if this is a lowslowse bait toon while you are preaching of manly pvp. Lol. Kinda hope you are just that bad but sure this is a lowsec bait alt telling people they are cowards at pvp...... are you joking dude?


Start a poll asking players if they call it legit pvp or being a coward.

Get ready to lose by a landslide.
Coward.



POST ON YOUR MAIN COWARD CHICKENSHIt 0-71 loser


Pot meet kettle.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#38 - 2015-01-19 05:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I agree to that but no one whos a real pvpr would want to be associated with this type of pvp.

This is the lowest rung, right after they literally can't pvp, its joining a corp to shoot mining ships. Like you really need to be inside the corp to do that?

Real pvprs laugh at these people they aren't a threat to anyone, hell they wont stay in any corp long enough to be.

The only people they threaten are CCP and the bottom dollar by the players they drive off.

I don't necessarily agree.

From my perspective, they are all legit forms of pvp, so all real pvp - and all real pvpers.

There is a lot of elitism among pvpers. That's all pointless, epeen waving. At the end of it, the skill of highsec pvpers deserves just as much respect as any other. The tricks and traps, the setting up, etc. all takes skill in its own right.

So would I be associated with awoxing. It's not my thing, but I have nothing at all against those that like that form of pvp. Happy to be associated with those players even if I don't do it.

Do they threaten CCP? Not in my view and they shouldn't even worry about that at all. Like anyone, they are free to play within the rules and mechanics provided and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#39 - 2015-01-19 05:57:25 UTC
This thread is diving fast.

Remove standings and insurance.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
#40 - 2015-01-19 06:02:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I agree to that but no one whos a real pvpr would want to be associated with this type of pvp.

This is the lowest rung, right after they literally can't pvp, its joining a corp to shoot mining ships. Like you really need to be inside the corp to do that?

Real pvprs laugh at these people they aren't a threat to anyone, hell they wont stay in any corp long enough to be.

The only people they threaten are CCP and the bottom dollar by the players they drive off.

I don't necessarily agree.

From my perspective, they are all legit forms of pvp, so all real pvp.

There is a lot of elitism among pvpers. That's all pointless, epeen waving. At the end of it, the skill of highsec pvpers deserves just as much respect as any other. The tricks and traps, the setting up, etc. all takes skill in its own right.

So would I be associated with awoxing. It's not my thing, but I have nothing at all against those that like that form of pvp. Happy to be associated with those players even if I don't do it.


It's ok i don't think other corps will fight you for them.
In the end you have to ask yourself if they would do it to you to. Especially if they start thinking of quitting the game.

Don't tell me that doesn't happen i have seen it in other games, you just up your odds a lot by already knowing they are capable of this.Better in your corp then mine.