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Noob New Ship: Confessor vs Oracle

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-01-17 15:52:47 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
tbh.

It is not only cheaper, but also WAY more efficient that if you want to AFK mine, to pick a venture or a mining barge.


A venture is 500k isk cheaper. One load of ore in my Iteron. A venture has a 50m3 cargo hold. That would fill up very fast and require much more interaction than parking my Iteron and walking away.

A mining barge costs 25x+ what my Iteron did. And still only has a cargo hold 1/10th the size.

Yes they would make more money in less time but that is not my goal.


I don't think you understand what an ore bay is.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#22 - 2015-01-17 15:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
tbh.

It is not only cheaper, but also WAY more efficient that if you want to AFK mine, to pick a venture or a mining barge.


A venture is 500k isk cheaper. One load of ore in my Iteron. A venture has a 50m3 cargo hold. That would fill up very fast and require much more interaction than parking my Iteron and walking away.

A mining barge costs 25x+ what my Iteron did. And still only has a cargo hold 1/10th the size.

Yes they would make more money in less time but that is not my goal.

A Venture has a 5000K m3 Ore Hold, almost twice what a Nereus (old Iteron Mk I) has for a cargo hold. Yes, the cargo hold on it is small, but dedicated mining ships have ore holds. It will fill up faster since the Venture is efficient at mining.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#23 - 2015-01-17 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
derp - double post
Deadspace Acclamator
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-01-17 15:57:30 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink


Well that changes things. I never saw the ore hold. I thought there were only cargo holds. Like I said very new! Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-01-17 15:59:10 UTC
yeah so: never mine in an industrial.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#26 - 2015-01-17 15:59:13 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink


Well that changes things. I never saw the ore hold. I thought there were only cargo holds. Like I said very new! Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!

This is the lesson, when we're telling you something, there's good reasons and wisdom as to why Blink.
Deadspace Acclamator
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-01-17 16:01:09 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink


Well that changes things. I never saw the ore hold. I thought there were only cargo holds. Like I said very new! Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!

This is the lesson, when we're telling you something, there's good reasons and wisdom as to why Blink.


Sure but there is another lesson, with out telling your student why something is true it's a very hollow lesson.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#28 - 2015-01-17 16:02:04 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
yeah so: never mine in an industrial.
Well if someone is really determined to do so, not much will sway them.

Hopefully the OP is starting to glean from our collective wisdom Blink.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#29 - 2015-01-17 16:06:37 UTC
Venture is also a good stepping stone for Prospect, the only covert mining ship in EVE. Prospect also makes for a decent cloaked scout and explorer.

There is A LOT of ISK to be had in harvesting gas in wormholes, and sneaking in to ninja-huff gas in wormholes can be a nice and interesting introduction to the most interesting part of EVE, wormhole-space. Can't do it AFK though, since w-space is dangerous and hostile territory, but it sure beats running missions as far as isk/hour is concerned, and is a good way for a new player to get out of the comforts of highsec.
Deadspace Acclamator
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-01-17 16:06:55 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
yeah so: never mine in an industrial.
Well if someone is really determined to do so, not much will sway them.

Hopefully the OP is starting to glean from our collective wisdom Blink.


Actually we've just demonstrated that all it takes is a little 'why' instead of just raw 'wisdom.'
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-01-17 16:07:16 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink


Well that changes things. I never saw the ore hold. I thought there were only cargo holds. Like I said very new! Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!

This is the lesson, when we're telling you something, there's good reasons and wisdom as to why Blink.


Sure but there is another lesson, with out telling your student why something is true it's a very hollow lesson.


Learning is a 2 way street, you should have given us your reasons for mining in an industrial
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#32 - 2015-01-17 16:15:24 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:


Sure but there is another lesson, with out telling your student why something is true it's a very hollow lesson.
There's a bit of assumption going both ways. Based on your opening post you claim some experience. Naturally, we're assuming that you can read information in the game, and yes, I get that sometimes it may not be obvious, but this wasn't hidden or subtle information by any means.

When everyone is telling you "don't mine in an industrial" as a response and piece of advice, yet you state you're determined to do it anyway because you wanted to AFK it for an hour or more, then I certainly thought "well, he wants to burn time AFK with a very inefficient process, so be it, it's his choice, fair enough."

Certainly at one point you had to ask yourself why all these "veterans" were advising you to do otherwise. You did state that you didn't care about the efficiency issue and seemed determined to carry on despite anything we had to say on the matter, which is why in my original post in response I gave you advice, but then granted your free will to carry on with your self-admitted "fail" usage of a non-mining vessel to mine with.

Anyway, all things being equal, mine in a Venture. It will take 20 to 25 minutes perhaps to fill the Ore Hold, and for more ISK than you're pulling using the Nereus (the old Iteron Mk I). Although, your position is/was that you don't care about the ISK over the time period. If that's true, don't let me get in your way Lol.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#33 - 2015-01-17 16:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
A mining barge costs 25x+ what my Iteron did. And still only has a cargo hold 1/10th the size.
I'd suggest you now go look up the basic ore hold sizes on the mining barges. A good exercise for you Smile.

EDIT: And, there are other ships with other specialized holds aside from the cargo hold. A lot has changed in that regard.
Deadspace Acclamator
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-01-17 16:26:53 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Anyway, all things being equal, mine in a Venture. It will take 20 to 25 minutes perhaps to fill the Ore Hold, and for more ISK than you're pulling using the Nereus (the old Iteron Mk I). Although, your position is/was that you don't care about the ISK over the time period. If that's true, don't let me get in your way Lol.


This 'why' three pages ago instead of raw wisdom would have saved us both a lot of time.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#35 - 2015-01-17 16:33:42 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Anyway, all things being equal, mine in a Venture. It will take 20 to 25 minutes perhaps to fill the Ore Hold, and for more ISK than you're pulling using the Nereus (the old Iteron Mk I). Although, your position is/was that you don't care about the ISK over the time period. If that's true, don't let me get in your way Lol.


This 'why' three pages ago instead of raw wisdom would have saved us both a lot of time.

Well, in all fairness you were determined to do otherwise and stated quite certainly that you weren't after efficiency but just using up time AFK.

Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
I know industrial ships are not meant for mining. Hence "afk mining." I park it mining for sixty minutes at a time and go shower, walk the dog, whatever and come back to almost a million isk. A real mining ship would earn more in less time but that isn't the point.


Until you mentioned cargo hold as your reasoning we had no clue you didn't know there are (now) ore holds for mining ships.

There is an ore hauling industrial (the Miasmos, another of the old Iteron Mk series) that has a very large ore hold. No one will recommend you mine in it, but feel free to, if your intent is still the same.

Deadspace Acclamator
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-01-17 16:44:20 UTC
Idk about determined. Maybe it's how I come off. I thought I was just describing what I was doing and why. Usually doesn't take more than that for someone to point where you are wrong. I did say the most of my time afk.

I guess I should do the tutorials again. I guess they've changed since I did them last? I don't recall getting a free venture doing the mining tutorial 2 or 3 years ago.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-01-17 16:46:32 UTC
they've changed a lot yes.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#38 - 2015-01-17 16:47:37 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:


I guess I should do the tutorials again. I guess they've changed since I did them last? I don't recall getting a free venture doing the mining tutorial 2 or 3 years ago.

This, this, this. Yes, I was going to suggest this to you. There has been a lot of changes, including how exploration works and such. The tutorials are much better than they were just a few years ago. These will really help you get "caught" up.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-01-17 17:09:04 UTC
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
tbh.

It is not only cheaper, but also WAY more efficient that if you want to AFK mine, to pick a venture or a mining barge.


A venture is 500k isk cheaper. Less than one load of ore in my Iteron. A venture has a 50m3 cargo hold. That would fill up very fast and require much more interaction than parking my Iteron and walking away.

A mining barge costs 25x+ what my Iteron did. And still only has a cargo hold 1/10th the size.

Yes they would make more money in less time but that is not my goal.


Wait.

You clearly lack the knowledge that the Venture has a HUGE ore-hold for your mining.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-01-17 17:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Deadspace Acclamator wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture - take note where it says "Ore Capacity" in the attributes box on that page. Direct from the in-game attributes found on "show info."

You need to get better at reading the information in the Attributes tab. Blink


Well that changes things. I never saw the ore hold. I thought there were only cargo holds. Like I said very new! Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!

This is the lesson, when we're telling you something, there's good reasons and wisdom as to why Blink.


Sure but there is another lesson, with out telling your student why something is true it's a very hollow lesson.


CAuse, we all hope you did your tutorials, which means that you already would have used the Venture...and thus know about the specialized hold it has.

Heh, tutorial gives me a mining ship and a skill called Mining Frigate to be able to use it...it might hint that this is a good mining ship...


EDIT:

Skip the above. Thought you did the recent tutorials, not the ancient ones that weren't as good.

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