EVE New Citizens Q&A

I have been playing on and off, no more then a month at a time, over the past few years. I'm about two weeks into my latest stint and think I'm going to give Eve a real try this time (~3 months). I fly a Maller currently. Medium focused beams, if it matters. I've also a Iteron I use for afk mining occasionally, about ~15 million isk in items and ~35 million isk towards a new ship.

Mostly running security missions atm. Earning isk and standing. Hope to branch into research someday.

For my next ship I am trying to decide between a Confessor or an Oracle. They're each about 60-70 million isk.

The Confessor is more versatile. Much faster getting from point a to b and salvaging. Should, I think, be more damage but less tank than my Maller. Maybe with the right (armor) fittings more damage and tank. Biggest concern here, is until I can afford better items to fit it, will be a tank down grade just throwing the items from my Maller in it and I'll get overwhelmed in certain lvl 2 security missions even easier.

The Oracle would be more fire power. More tank and damage right out of the box with only my Maller items swapped over. Should make all lvl 2's a cakewalk and, I imagine, allow me to run lvl 3s once I get the standings. Biggest concern here is travel times. It is even slower than my Maller.

1. Don't mine in industrial ships
2. Confessor and oracle are both equally terrible at mission running, confessor winning out slightly
3. Don't bother salvaging unless you're killing battleship class rats

Oracle has much more raw dps on paper compared to other ships of similar size, however this is because it fits large guns.

Now large guns are good against large targets, but once you start going cruiser and smaller (especially with mediocre gunnery skills) you will find you probably do more damage in a frigate.

sometimes using the above method means you come back to your pod in a station with your ship and any implants magically gone ;)

You should probably read up on gunnery and tracking so that you can understand why the oracle is so bad at so many things. It's a niche ship with a very specific role.

But learning gunnery will help you understand not just the oracle but how guns work, how to apply dps to targets and how to avoid incoming dps. Once you understand these things you'll have a better idea of how to pilot a ship and what ship would be better suited for you.

I would recomend that you stick with T1 cruisers at the moment. Probably the next step should be to tech up instead of size up by that I mean tech 2 assault frig or heavy assault cruiser or maybe even tech 3 crusier. Large ships and large weapons take a long time to train and I recommend staying away from the battleship skill point trap early on. That most certainly includes the battleship guns on the oracle.

Im certain that even PI is more profitable than that. Have you ever thought of starting it? I find its a decent income maker for new players.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Planetary_Interaction

You will encounter much "hatred" over this, not only for mining in a non-mining traited ship, but also the fact that you're deliberately doing this AFK. Chances are you'll come back to your session and find yourself floating in your pod. There are those that will suicide gank you just because you're doing this. There are those that specialize in finding and destroying AFK miners.

You can AFK mine in a mining ship, and even use the free Venture(s) you get from the career agents. Nothing is wrong with AFK mining, heck, mining is pretty boring, so that's why many do it AFK, or at least they get mining and then switch their attention to something else, such as an alt account's activities, or another game, etc., but there is an Eve cultural bias against AFKers.

At the end of the day, play how you want (I believe in that), but you will find that as you go against the grain of advice given you'll end up being treated more as a troll. At least, though, you acknowledge the "fail" in your particular chosen practice of AFK mining . Stick to your guns, just as others will stick their guns to you .

As suggested by Solonius, look into Planetary Interaction. It produces for you while you're off doing other things so it's netting you ISK in the background, so to speak. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Planetary_Interaction

There not wrong their just marginally less optimal than others,
you can use amaar ships anywhere , it just may take an extra volley or two.

If you go up to T2 or T3 products, its not too bad, even in highsec. Takes a bit of time, but still, not too bad. You can get the relevant skills to 4 in 7-8 days, and then start making things like construction blocks, which only require a single planet.

Its certainly better than afk mining for an hour and getting a mill in profit.

Oracle isn't actually horribly bad in PvE. I absolutely loathe how repetitive and boring mission running is, so the last time I had to do it for LP or standings for whatever reason, I simply added a Damage Control II to my PvP Oracle and ran some L3 missions by blitzing them, as in killing only the mission objective from maximum range and then warping away to claim my loyalty points and standings. Not all missions can be done by sniping, so you will sometimes have to reject a few, but it still works if you do not want to waste ISK or skill points on setting up a dedicated mission boat.

Here is the kind of sniper Oracle I used back in the day:
[Oracle, Snaip]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
[Empty Rig slot]
Aurora L x8
Targeting Range Script x2

Use the microwarpdrive to keep enemies at a range where they can't hit you and set the guns in two different groups and use them to blap the rats. Switch Damage Control II to a thrid Tracking Enhancer for PvP.

For the long run, I strongly recommend moving away from missions towards exploration, nullsec ratting, wormhole PvE, faction warfare or industry for making your ISK.

tbh.

It is not only cheaper, but also WAY more efficient that if you want to AFK mine, to pick a venture or a mining barge.