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Option to disable corp friendly fire.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2015-01-16 09:22:16 UTC
For something so "big" the awox section of zkillboard is surprising static compared to the rest of it (and also muddied by consentual corp on corp violence.).

At time of posting page 1 of awox goes back to 21:26 11th Jan. Page 1 of actual killboard goes back 19 minutes.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#62 - 2015-01-16 09:48:55 UTC
I guess the most important question now is. Do I need the director role to "flip the switch"?

It seams that reverse Awoxing is still ok.

Evil RatKid
Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-01-16 09:59:28 UTC
And if it keeps reverse awoxing alive, they still havent fixed being 'safe' when you join a corp.

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2015-01-16 10:06:51 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.

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Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-01-16 10:09:57 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.

The Rules:
6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.


I'm sorry, it wasnt meant as a derogatory remark, i merely wanted to illustrate that just because something is a minority it doesnt automatically mean that i can be removed without consequences. It was a neutral statement.


       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2015-01-16 10:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sladislov
Aiyshimin wrote:
Sladislov wrote:



[offensive analogy]


let me rephrase this,

Just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean you can just remove something.


And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved, if the thing itself is being a total dickhead.

Your analogy is both batshit ******** and painfully accurate at the same time btw, too bad you're way too ignorant to figure it out.





Yes instead of providing a good argument just shout ignorance and the discussion is won.

" Just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean you can just remove something."

Does not mean

"And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved"

3/10
please work on your reading comprehension

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#67 - 2015-01-16 10:40:35 UTC
Sladislov wrote:

Yes instead of providing a good argument just shout ignorance and the discussion is won.

" Just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean you can just remove something."

Does not mean

"And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved"

3/10
please work on your reading comprehension


Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply.

Making hisec safaries more difficult (no, this change does not prevent it, only means that awoxers need to put in effort and time) concerns a minority group of hisec players, for the benefit of majority of players in hisec and potential subscribers. Since it's in CCP's interests to cater to the needs of the majority in order to keep their business, it's rational and reasonable decision for them.

Hisec awoxing just wasn't good for the game, and that's the long and short if it.
Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-01-16 10:52:55 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Sladislov wrote:

Yes instead of providing a good argument just shout ignorance and the discussion is won.

" Just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean you can just remove something."

Does not mean

"And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved"

3/10
please work on your reading comprehension


Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply.

Making hisec safaries more difficult (no, this change does not prevent it, only means that awoxers need to put in effort and time) concerns a minority group of hisec players, for the benefit of majority of players in hisec and potential subscribers. Since it's in CCP's interests to cater to the needs of the majority in order to keep their business, it's rational and reasonable decision for them.

Hisec awoxing just wasn't good for the game, and that's the long and short if it.





"Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply."

aka

"haha i didnt even try lololol"

How do you mean it doesnt prevent highsec safari's, they are literally removing corp damage. Only way to kill someone in highsec after the change is wardecs or suicide ganking.

Yes lets benefit the majority, increase mission payouts by 100x making all other professions irrelevant, you only need to care about the majority right?

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#69 - 2015-01-16 11:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Sladislov wrote:
Post after post of logically flawed, nonsensical drivel

Please study this and learn how you too can stop shiptoasting like a scrublord.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#70 - 2015-01-16 11:04:49 UTC
Sladislov wrote:

"Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply."

aka

"haha i didnt even try lololol"

How do you mean it doesnt prevent highsec safari's, they are literally removing corp damage. Only way to kill someone in highsec after the change is wardecs or suicide ganking.

Yes lets benefit the majority, increase mission payouts by 100x making all other professions irrelevant, you only need to care about the majority right?


When you troll, you get trolled, deal with it.

No, you infiltrate the corp just as before, play your role until you get director role, turn off intra-corp PVP block and then awox. And rob them.

Increasing mission payouts 100x would not benefit the majority, it would break the game for everyone. Why do you think increasing mission payouts 100x is the same thing as making awoxing more difficult?

Tell me again, are you using the fact that awoxers are a minority group as an argument defending it's existence? Does this minority aspect apply to other playstyles as well?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#71 - 2015-01-16 11:09:59 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?

If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety.


AWOX started out in amarr militia dunking people in caldari militia because he appears as a purple and used that to his advantage, also only standings loss with caldari (which didn't matter because he was amarr). Where he went after that who knows but it was just another example of poorly thought out game mechanics.

'high sec awoxing' was years overdue for an overhaul, it was basically an exploit.



learn your EVE history ... awoxing has been around far, far longer than FW. Hell, it was "history" back in '07.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-01-16 11:22:39 UTC
Yeah.... Friendly fire should always be a thing. We're playing Eve, not WoW.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-01-16 11:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sladislov
Aiyshimin wrote:

No, you infiltrate the corp just as before, play your role until you get director role, turn off intra-corp PVP block and then awox. And rob them.

Tell me again, are you using the fact that awoxers are a minority group as an argument defending it's existence? Does this minority aspect apply to other playstyles as well?







"No, you infiltrate the corp just as before, play your role until you get director role, turn off intra-corp PVP block and then awox. And rob them. "

yes let me just waste large swathes of my time playing in this corp i dont really want to be in in order to get director maybe some time next year. This is not viable.

I wasnt saying that it being a minority should make it immune to being removed, what i said was ' just because its a minority doesnt mean it can or should be removed so easily '


Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Sladislov wrote:
Post after post of logically flawed, nonsensical drivel

Please study this and learn how you too can stop shiptoasting like a scrublord.


im sorry mr elite super forum guy please teach me your ways of good posts

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#74 - 2015-01-16 11:24:52 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Yeah.... Friendly fire should always be a thing. We're playing Eve, not WoW.


You can still fire on friendlies in null, low, whs and in hisec corps that allow it.

If you want to do that, don't join hisec corps that don't allow it. Simple as that.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#75 - 2015-01-16 11:27:10 UTC
Sladislov wrote:


yes let me just waste large swathes of my time playing in this corp i dont really want to be in in order to get director maybe some time next year. This is not viable.

I wasnt saying that it being a minority should make it immune to being removed, what i said was ' just because its a minority doesnt mean it can or should be removed so easily '



Why waste your time in a corp that you really don't want to be in? Do something else you like more.

If a change benefits the majority and only presents a minor hindrance to a niche group, then it's a sensible balancing change. I think you agree on that.

Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2015-01-16 11:29:07 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Sladislov wrote:


yes let me just waste large swathes of my time playing in this corp i dont really want to be in in order to get director maybe some time next year. This is not viable.

I wasnt saying that it being a minority should make it immune to being removed, what i said was ' just because its a minority doesnt mean it can or should be removed so easily '



Why waste your time in a corp that you really don't want to be in? Do something else you like more.

If a change benefits the majority and only presents a minor hindrance to a niche group, then it's a sensible balancing change. I think you agree on that.




Its not a 'minor hindrance' its a complete removal of awox as it is now.

I want to be in the corp to kill their ships

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#77 - 2015-01-16 11:42:20 UTC
Sladislov wrote:



Its not a 'minor hindrance' its a complete removal of awox as it is now.

I want to be in the corp to kill their ships


No, it's not a complete removal when you can still do it.

Also, nothing prevents you from getting in their corp and killing their ships.

You don't even have to join their corp.

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#78 - 2015-01-16 12:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Nobody said that you will be unable to target and fire upon friendly ships when this toggle is turned off. All it does is provoke a CONCORD response.

Furthermore, it's not as if every single highsec corp will turn it off.

Regardless of all that, however, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort for a successful awox, you don't deserve those kills - period.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2015-01-16 12:45:00 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Nobody said that you will be unable to target and fire upon friendly ships when this toggle is turned off. All it does is provoke a CONCORD response.

Furthermore, it's not as if every single highsec corp will turn it off.

Regardless of all that, however, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort for a successful awox, you don't deserve those kills - period.



But I should be able to kill a corp mate risk free in a random bit of space with my neutral RR alts in case my ship is at any risk.....

Even CODE man up and accept the concord hit. I never thought I'd hold them in higher regard than some people....but there we go. Wow.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2015-01-16 12:56:43 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Yeah.... Friendly fire should always be a thing. We're playing Eve, not WoW.


You can still fire on friendlies in null, low, whs and in hisec corps that allow it.

If you want to do that, don't join hisec corps that don't allow it. Simple as that.



Not a thing. Simple as that.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal