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AFK Cloaking™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-01-10 08:35:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
the point is the cloaker is in Hostile space and 100% safe
nothing should be 100% safe while ingame

and anyone that plays eve should know that after all its a golden rule in eve nothing is safe

i dont care that he cant harm me but i cant harm him while he is sitting in space and getting intel on us
we cant do anything to prevent that and intel has more value than some isk

No Risk / Huge Gain do you see my point


I demand everyone AFK in a station should be forced to undock so I can kill them.


Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2015-01-10 08:44:12 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
the point is the cloaker is in Hostile space and 100% safe
nothing should be 100% safe while ingame

and anyone that plays eve should know that after all its a golden rule in eve nothing is safe

i dont care that he cant harm me but i cant harm him while he is sitting in space and getting intel on us
we cant do anything to prevent that and intel has more value than some isk

No Risk / Huge Gain do you see my point


I demand everyone AFK in a station should be forced to undock so I can kill them.


Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.


Now try that with a Guristas station or Jita 4-4.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#43 - 2015-01-10 08:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
the point is the cloaker is in Hostile space and 100% safe
nothing should be 100% safe while ingame

and anyone that plays eve should know that after all its a golden rule in eve nothing is safe

i dont care that he cant harm me but i cant harm him while he is sitting in space and getting intel on us
we cant do anything to prevent that and intel has more value than some isk

No Risk / Huge Gain do you see my point
He has every right to sit in that space and gain intel. But that wasn't your line. You wanted us to think the safe aspect only went one way, it's plainly obvious it's a two way street.

No one should be 100% safe in game? OK so like Baltec1 said, let's have a means to undock you from the station. Let's go with your logic. Or does your logic only apply when it suits?

Whilst you can't prevent intel gathering, you can limit it. Welcome to Eve, an MMO with more than your friends playing and your play style.

If you are so sure of your logic. Answer the question I posed above.

What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Gabriel Elarik
Celestiel Rams
#44 - 2015-01-10 09:09:37 UTC
as statet above

Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.

they dont need to interact to gather intel sitting near the station looking what ships undock how many targets (players) are online at specific times and what ships are used for pve and pvp evtl a corp has a weekly mining op and after 2 weeks he noticed that they do the mining op every Friday etc etc
Mag's
Azn Empire
#45 - 2015-01-10 09:14:35 UTC
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
as statet above

Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.

they dont need to interact to gather intel sitting near the station looking what ships undock how many targets (players) are online at specific times and what ships are used for pve and pvp evtl a corp has a weekly mining op and after 2 weeks he noticed that they do the mining op every Friday etc etc
Even when stations are flipped, they don't need to leave them.

Now to the answer you gave.
Ahh but you see they are interacting with you. How else would you know they are there? So I'll ask again.

What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2015-01-10 09:16:10 UTC
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
as statet above

Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.

they dont need to interact to gather intel sitting near the station looking what ships undock how many targets (players) are online at specific times and what ships are used for pve and pvp evtl a corp has a weekly mining op and after 2 weeks he noticed that they do the mining op every Friday etc etc


Once more I ask, how do you flip the two stations in 6NJ8-V.
Gabriel Elarik
Celestiel Rams
#47 - 2015-01-10 09:22:07 UTC
as long as they can see with d scan probes or visual they interact with the world they gather intel and nobody can do anything about it players sitting in stations they can be flipped and i by all means i had the joy to come back after a week and sitting in hostile space with no means to move my stuff out thats one of the risk players have while sitting in stations while cloakys have no risk and intel and if its that thats hinders improvement by all means make a thread and say what mechanic would be ok i have no problems with that
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2015-01-10 09:24:28 UTC
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
as long as they can see with d scan probes or visual they interact with the world they gather intel and nobody can do anything about it players sitting in stations they can be flipped and i by all means i had the joy to come back after a week and sitting in hostile space with no means to move my stuff out thats one of the risk players have while sitting in stations while cloakys have no risk and intel and if its that thats hinders improvement by all means make a thread and say what mechanic would be ok i have no problems with that


For the third time I ask, how do you flip NPC stations.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#49 - 2015-01-10 09:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
as long as they can see with d scan probes or visual they interact with the world they gather intel and nobody can do anything about it players sitting in stations they can be flipped and i by all means i had the joy to come back after a week and sitting in hostile space with no means to move my stuff out thats one of the risk players have while sitting in stations while cloakys have no risk and intel and if its that thats hinders improvement by all means make a thread and say what mechanic would be ok i have no problems with that

What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-01-10 09:27:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bullet Therapist wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
the point is the cloaker is in Hostile space and 100% safe
nothing should be 100% safe while ingame

and anyone that plays eve should know that after all its a golden rule in eve nothing is safe

i dont care that he cant harm me but i cant harm him while he is sitting in space and getting intel on us
we cant do anything to prevent that and intel has more value than some isk

No Risk / Huge Gain do you see my point


I demand everyone AFK in a station should be forced to undock so I can kill them.


Stations can be flipped and station services can be offlined. The loss of a station can be devastating for a corporation or alliance.


Now try that with a Guristas station or Jita 4-4.


Yep there are NPC stations. Not all stations are invulnerable though, while all AFK cloakers are completely safe, afk 23/7 or not.

In any event like I said before this thread is a waste of time and should be closed anyhow. CCP isn't going to change it so it's a waste of time to even discuss it.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#51 - 2015-01-10 09:29:07 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
while all AFK cloakers are completely safe, afk 23/7 or not.
And you are from them.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Gabriel Elarik
Celestiel Rams
#52 - 2015-01-10 09:33:03 UTC
......... thats not the point

you know risk vs reward

and intel is by far more important than isk and no risk is simply wrong and bad game design
Mag's
Azn Empire
#53 - 2015-01-10 09:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
......... thats not the point

you know risk vs reward

and intel is by far more important than isk and no risk is simply wrong and bad game design
Ahh so the whole safe aspect, only counts when you decide? Hmmm.

Also regarding intel.

What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-01-10 09:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Bullet Therapist
Mag's wrote:
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
as long as they can see with d scan probes or visual they interact with the world they gather intel and nobody can do anything about it players sitting in stations they can be flipped and i by all means i had the joy to come back after a week and sitting in hostile space with no means to move my stuff out thats one of the risk players have while sitting in stations while cloakys have no risk and intel and if its that thats hinders improvement by all means make a thread and say what mechanic would be ok i have no problems with that

What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?


If your toon is logged in, it's interacting with the eve world weather you're at the keyboard or not.

If you want specifics here's a list, from least to most, for the cloaky: a character that is logged in, in space, in a system, on a grid, in a ship, fit with a cloaking device, and cloaking device is currently active, depending on the status of your character, it will interact with one or more of these states to varying degrees simply by being logged in.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2015-01-10 09:38:32 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:


Yep there are NPC stations. Not all stations are invulnerable though


Just the vast vast bulk of them.

If AFK cloakers are forced to decloak then it is only fair we force people AFK in station to undock so I can kill them.
Gabriel Elarik
Celestiel Rams
#56 - 2015-01-10 09:43:36 UTC
What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

1) You cant know if they are afk
2) They can gather intel they interact with the world they dont need to interact with you they only need so see you
there are more things than pew pew and some are more important

in my opinion point 2 is the most important and holy s... dont start with

"What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?"

i did answer that question and in my opinion they dont need to interact with you do be a thread
information is important and if the would interact with you while gathering intel they would be dump
Mag's
Azn Empire
#57 - 2015-01-10 09:43:51 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:


If your toon is logged in, it's interacting with the eve world weather you're at the keyboard or not.

If you want specifics here's a list, from least to most, for the cloaky: a character that is logged in, in space, in a system, on a grid, in a ship, fit with a cloaking device, and cloaking device is currently active, depending on the status of your character, it will interact with one or more of these states to varying degrees simply by being logged in.
We are talking of one thing. Specifically AFK cloaking.

So whilst he is AFK cloaked and you are in the system with him, what mechanic is he using to interact with you?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#58 - 2015-01-10 09:44:50 UTC
Gabriel Elarik wrote:
What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?

1) You cant know if they are afk
2) They can gather intel they interact with the world they dont need to interact with you they only need so see you
there are more things than pew pew and some are more important

in my opinion point 2 is the most important and holy s... dont start with

"What mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?"

i did answer that question and in my opinion they dont need to interact with you do be a thread
information is important and if the would interact with you while gathering intel they would be dump

See above.

I know you'll both keep dodging it, but I'll keep asking.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#59 - 2015-01-10 09:49:07 UTC
Redundant thread is redundant?
Cloak have some disadvantages i would rather have a discuss about d-scan mechanics, sometimes i feel like playing "Push d-scan button online".

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-01-10 09:49:34 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Bullet Therapist wrote:


If your toon is logged in, it's interacting with the eve world weather you're at the keyboard or not.

If you want specifics here's a list, from least to most, for the cloaky: a character that is logged in, in space, in a system, on a grid, in a ship, fit with a cloaking device, and cloaking device is currently active, depending on the status of your character, it will interact with one or more of these states to varying degrees simply by being logged in.
We are talking of one thing. Specifically AFK cloaking.

So whilst he is AFK cloaked and you are in the system with him, what mechanic is he using to interact with you?


See above. Read it this time.