Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I did read it, you dodged the answer with lots of words.

The answer is in fact one word. Hell you can even forget the whole AFK aspect if that's an issue.

So there is a cloaker in your system cloaked up. He's not talking. What mechanic is he using to interact with you? How do you know he is there? What mechanic interacts to tell you that?

It's interesting to see how people still haven't figured this out. Changing how cloaks work or discussing some ******** probing mechanics against cloakers doesn't change anything.

The topic has never been "AFK cloaking", because the threat is not the cloaked ship, or the cloaking device, it's the (covert ops) cynosural field generator fitted next to the cloak.

If the AFK cloaker was actually a single ship, even nullbears could occasionally man up and face the threat. However, the cyno changes the threat from manageable to unknown, and as it is, into very much certain death.

The attacker has 100% advantage, they choose whether to engage or not, when to do it and what to field.

Some resourceful bears have scouts in the bridging system, and have watchlisted the pilots, and can therefore bear as much as they like, regardless of the cloaker and his keyboardness status.

Cyno use in direct combat is the mechanic that needs tuning, if we assume that scaredbears are something else than untermensch, and that anyone gives a single **** about their mindless, bot-aspirant playstyle. Which we don't.

No dodging, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Yes they're cloaked because of the cloak. Yes cloaking is a mechanic. Yes cloaking hides a player 'to a(n infinite) degree.'

I know they're cloaked or not because of the hannibal lector fingertips brushing my hair as he passes by on the carousel, but for everyone else (plebes) there's d-scan, peeeeeeer...obes, the 17 days that toon has been training black ops V in local (local is so great, it really is the best thing about k-space,) and the history of black bass ops drops. You know this though. We all know this. This is this is sparta-level pedantic. You like afk cloaking for some *burp* reason and you'll bend over backwards to defend it, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I don't rat or mine in null, I just do baltec1 style twerking and PVP dudes so I don't really care about the disruption, all I really care about is auto-pilot freighter pilots freightering their freight in their freighter automatically without any consequences whatsoever afk in highsec where it is completely safe all the time and there's no unwanted PVPing them ever under any circumstances ever no matter how hard anyone tried to exploit the game mechanics and the skills or tools available to them to bring PVP to such totally invulnerable afk reward garnering tactics- I mean maybe someone could bait them but it's not like there's an instant free tool that someone could check easily, that doesn't really exist, to see if maybe they're baiting I dunno maybe, maybe not, but risk averse at leisure Isk and KB farming no couldn't be that easy and mechanics jeez what is a mechanic how deep does the rabbit hole here go its not clear what the defenition of mechanic is it could be anything you wanted it to be maybe I chose it because it could mean anything I wanted it to because I'm trying to make an argument in a way that I can't possibly lose uunghghhg.

Cloaking. It's in the name. AFK cloaking.

Here's a few question for you, Mag's: I'll answer them for you, because it's funnier this way.

Q:Does placing an afk cloaker in a system have an affect on the players that typically inhabit that system?
A: Of course, people ***** about it on the forums all the time!
Q:If not, why do people complain about it on the forum?
A:What? I just said people whine about it constantly, so much the forum moderator have to play lock-whack-a-mole.
Q:Is affecting a player in game in any way interacting with them?
A: Well I guess, to affect you'd have to interact, it's causality, and Einstein taught gave us the tools to understand that!
Q:How would it be possible to affect a player in game without interacting with them?
A: Aliens.
Q:Is cloaking a mechanic?
A: What is a mechanic really?
Q:Is the quoted question one that you asked?
A: Nope I'm going to ignore that because I'm wrong but I'm not willing to admit it.
Q:Are afk cloakers cloaked while afk?
A: Afk cloakers are cloaked while afk.

This is only aimed at AFK cloakers which brings us back to the fact that an AFK cloaker can literally do nothing.

Wrong again, but we'll get there I'm sure.

Here let me explain, as you seem to be having issues with a simple concept.

I cloak up with my ship. The cloak interacts with my ship and makes it disappear visually. This means it removes any interaction from the ship and you. You cannot lock me, or I you.

But here is the crux, you obviously know I'm there. How is that possible?
What mechanic is showing you, that I'm in the system? The one that interacts with you and gives you that intel.

So why do you want to nerf something that cant do anything?

It is local chat?

And, for extra credit, is it local chat in conjunction with the ability to set players blue and therefore immediately identify any and all potential threats via their lack of being blue?

BUT MAH RATTIN

Yes I see your point and I think you may be right.
Local is a rather powerful intel tool and it seems some do not wish to part with it.

Instant intel on a plate sir? Why yes, thank you very much.
Damn right. For the love of the children, can we not think about the ISK per hour please?